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GWS ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 13 Nov 2012 Location: Central NY Points: 269 |
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Can someone explain the progression of the 301? From the 190XT through the 7020, it kept gaining more hp. Just bigger turbos, or intercoolers?
I'm looking for about a 100 hp tractor to get back to farming some of my own ground in retirement a few years down the road. Putting together some machinery now. It'll be mostly haying. The heaviest work will be pulling a 4x18 IH 720 plow. Several years ago I sold my 190XT and my 7030. BIG mistakes! Anyway, I'm mainly wondering about reliability of the various 301 engines. Thanks for any input. |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21416 |
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1964 the non-turbo 77 HP One-Ninety. 1967 the 64 HP One-Eighty. 1970 the 74 HP 185 up thru 1981. 1965 the turbo with eng oil cooler 94 HP 190 XT. 1972 the claimed 94 HP 200 with a better turbo, lower compression pistons and dual oil filters with deeper pan and crankshaft driven oil pump. 1975 the 106 HP model 7000 with copper sleeve cylinder head injectors, DM-4 injection pump. 1977 the 123 HP 7020 ( at 2300 RPM) with another upgrade in turbo and larger engine oil cooler and intercooler and bypass engine oil filter and piston cooling. Block was also strengthened in ribbing from main caps thru the upper deck for strength. 1979 the 107 HP 7010 was a toned down 7020 minus intercooler and bypass engine oil filter. 8010 was also at 107 HP and same as 7010 engine until later on when they went to an AmBach fuel system and a different design eng oil cooler. All of these engines are reliable if the cooling system is treated and maintained to prevent cavitation erosion and sleeve Oring failure. Seldom have I ever overhauled one for being worn out. They usually have neglected cooling systems and get coolant in the oil and then have to be repaired which means overhauled. The ones with copper injector sleeves do not like to be overheated, as you will pay for that mistake down the road. Engines that get regular 100 hr oil changes always outlive those that get 150 hr oil changes.
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darrel in ND ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8688 |
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I'm hoping that my XT outlives me. I stuck a ton of money into the 301 in it a few years ago. Complete engine rebuild, head and all. On Mack's advice, had an extra "O" ring groove cut in the sleeves on the coolant side, thus another "O" ring for that. Gets nothing but heavy duty anti freeze with the SCA in it, changed annually. Gets very regular engine oil changes, at the very most 100 hours. Tractor gets worked, but I darn sure wouldn't say abused. It's a productive Tractor, and we love it. Hopefully get years more service out of it. Not bad for a 55 year old Tractor
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21416 |
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The extra (top) Oring is a great idea. Sad thing is, back in 1964 & maybe 65 A-C actually used THREE sleeve Orings!! They had piston scoring in some engines (I'd guess XT's turned up to 120 HP) and their fix was to eliminate one Oring so the sleeve wasn't being squeezed too much. So, for the next 20 years we had 301 sleeve Oring problems in far greater numbers than the 426 engines which had three Orings on them.
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LionelinKY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695 |
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All of these engines are reliable if the cooling system is treated and maintained to prevent cavitation erosion and sleeve Oring failure.
OK Doc, enlighten me please as to what treatment you are referring to and what the brand is that you most recommend. I grew up with my Dad's 1966 190XT and inherited it upon his passing and he never mentioned anything about any additives for the coolant system-just regular change intervals. It is all on me to keep her going now and I'll take any extra insurance that I can get. Thanks
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"My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic"
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6368 |
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The Coolants needs the SCA additive in it.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21416 |
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45 years ago, when I discovered the product "Nalcool 2000", we recommended coolant to be changed every 2 to 3 years. This coolant change consisted of new heavy-duty antifreeze and distilled (or rain) water to mix it 50/50. Tap/well water has always been a bad idea. At the same time, 2 bottles of Nalcool 200 was added. Customer was instructed to add an additional bottle of Nalcool every other engine oil change. From that day on, I have never had to repair any of my customers engines for coolant in the engine oil due to sleeve Oring or cavitation erosion. The only engines I've ran into trouble with were other dealerships customers who I inherited from dealer closings. The system required some maintenance, but even if one missed a coolant change or adding a bottle when recommended, the tractors system still seemed to be protected. The most damage is always done when the engine is under full throttle/full load from the vibrations it creates. Now, in the last 20 or so years, you can purchase heavy-duty coolant already treated and pre-mixed for freeze strength. A much easier way to go and available from Caterpillar and Cummins for sure and I think by now many other places. The proper coolant always has a pinkish red color to it.
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LionelinKY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695 |
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Well, I guess that information never made it to NY or Dad ignored it if it did since I know for a fact that our XT always had and still has the traditional green coolant running in it. Perhaps it helped that the water source for our farm was a fresh water spring instead of a well-IDK. At 17 yrs old, I started working on our neighbor's farm who also happens to be a trained mechanic. He ingrained in me from day #1 to never use any tap water in coolant systems and that it was definitely worth the extra expense to use distilled water instead. Advice I have followed to this day concerning all of my vehicles. I do remember Dad getting SCREAMING mad at any of us if he ever caught us running the XT at WOT. Nobody ever got their @$$ beat over it but he would ban you from running it for a while which seemed more effective because we did realize that it was a privilege to run HIS tractor because so few were ever allowed to even touch it.
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"My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic"
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darrel in ND ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8688 |
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Ok, Lionel, I am naive. What does "WOT" mean?
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5073 |
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Wide Open Throttle!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21416 |
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Typically, model 180's (less RPM, less timing, less HP) have far less sleeve/coolant issues than the later 185's with more RPM, timing and HP. Sleeve vibrations !!
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8504 |
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Sleeve vibration is real. Had a Cat 3406B that timing advance got worn and stuck full advance. Run really good!! Till I'd dumped antifreeze in the crankcase. 1&6 had no sign of an oring left. The closer to the center of the block the better they were.3&4 were pretty good.
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