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Uses for belt pulleys,,,,

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A twisted belt is much more stable than a strait belt. One time at our local show we actually twisted a belt twice for an Oil Pull that had a pulley that ran a reverse direction. A strait belt is a scary sight, especially with a side wind. They will walk side to side like you wouldn't believe.

Here is a pic of my WC at Hutch running the threshing machine.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jb from md Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 7:31pm
here is a pic of my dad packing the bunker silo with a D17 they used to blow it up there and run it down after it got too high to push it up. pic taken around 1974- 1975
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can't recall just where I found this article, but it addresses the twisted belt topic very well.  I think I was looking for some explanation of 'crowned pulleys' at the time.

Twisted Belt

Providing power to a threshing machine is a mix of science and serendipity.
The threshing machine became reality largely due to the advent of the steam
traction engine. These behemoths were difficult to maneuver, fire belching
boilers that required a crew to operate. Thus most other farming tasks
continued to be done with horses. This included delivery of the unthreshed
crop to the thresher as well as hauling away the cleaned grain.

The threshing machine itself was a linear arrangement whereby the raw crop
was put into the feeder with the cleaned grain emerging somewhere amidships
and the straw and other effluent expelled from the rear. The threshing
machine, usually wooden bodied in the early versions, processed highly
flammable product. The steam boiler was a noisy, smoke and fire emitting
dragon that frightened the horses and threatened the product. A long belt
was thus used to allow removing the power unit from the immediate vicinity.
It was also difficult to exactly align the driveR and driveN shafts. The
greater the separation between dR and dN, the less the impact of
non-parallel shafts.

The 180 degree twist in the belt has effect in three broad categories;
tracking, stability and efficient power transmission.

1) Tracking. A flat belt generally tracks to the high (or tight) side. It
will climb on a drive that is not perfectly aligned. Twisting the belt
averages the edge tension to reduce that effect. This is not a cure-all.
The system must still be carefully aligned. The twist will make the belt
path stable but too much alignment error will cause the belt to run inboard
on one pulley and outboard on the other. Obviously pulley width is the
limiting factor. Crowned pulleys can also help.

2) Drive stability. This is a catch-all category the includes several
topics such as belt droop, belt "flop", belt operating envelope; all of
which greatly impact operational safety.

The longer the belt span, the greater the effect of tight side versus slack
side tension. On a threshing machine drive the slack side of an untwisted
belt can actually drag on the ground. The flywheel of the power unit
provides relatively stable drive input. The threshing unit however will
surge greatly depending on the variations in product throughput. Thus the
slack side droop can vary wildly. If this belt flop remained in the strict
vertical plane it might be acceptable. However in practicality, a wildly
gyrating belt can throw itself from the drive resulting in a long, 100+
pound unguided projectile. Even if the belt stays on the drive, the flop
and slap will scare the horses who must stand patiently as the rack they are
drawing is emptied. Excessive flop will also tend to relocate over time the
dR and/or dN units thus further impacting system alignment and tension.

A 180 degree twist toward the center of the belt span serves to limit the
drive envelope variations, a boon to machine, man and beast. Also, a minor
but important feature of twisting the belt drive is to limit trash enclusion
in the drive. Trash is either rejected outright or gets cleared as the belt
surfaces invert.

3) Efficient power transmission. Perhaps the single most critical element
in a flat belt drive system is pulley wrap. The greater the surface
wrapped, the greater is the drive's power capability. A twist in the belt
both maximizes and stabilizes pulley wrap. With equal diameter pulleys and
a twist in the belt one can get better than 180 degree wrap (increased drive
rating for the same belt dollar).

Although not such a fire hazard, the less massive firing engine tractors are
not as inherently stable a power source as is the steam engine. This
increases all negative elements of the drive and makes it even more
desirable to have a twist in the drive belt.

gatz


Edited by Gatz in NE - 11 Apr 2017 at 9:57pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote shameless dude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 10:39pm
I still have a stan-hoist elevator that is belt driven. I also have 2 drive on belt driven wagon hoists and somewhere a pump jack that was belt driven to run the elevator along with the knuckles and shafts. the hoists took place of the pump jack if the hoists were needed. also still have the belts that ran it all. we always had to use the same tractor that we hauled the loads in with to run the belt. got real good at aligning the belt up from each load in. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 10:44pm
I think it helped with steam engines to keep sparks from reaching the straw stack, too. I think it also helped make room for loads of shocks at the feeding conveyor. You could have a load on each side. One side would have to pitch over the belt, but still much faster.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JoeO(CMO) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2017 at 6:53am
Good article Gatz!
I remember some similar articles in some Steam Magazines, probably in my basement but didn't go look!




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