Traded the Gleaner A85 off this weekend

I understand your deal IG.  I got a good trade in price on my RT about a year ago from a New Holland dealer.  I got the good price probably because their also a MF dealer.  I got trade in prices at two other dealers McCormick and Kubota, that had no clue on the AGCO tractor and offered a price substantially lower.  As much as I want(ed) things to work out I couldn't take that big of a hit.  If my RT doesn't sell though I'll probably go back to that dealer and see if we can work it out.  Maybe I should call you Jim.  You have MF and New Holland!

I'm totally on board with you Jim.  You know I totally agree with the one AGCO brand with multiple colors at least in NA.  I also feel the same way about Deere.  A good Deere dealer could convert me but it seems like their all corporate now.  My first tractor toy I got from my grandpa was a JD 4010 and I still have it.  But, my perception of orange farmers are their practical.  Red farmers, I've known, are friendly, skinny and some smoke.  Green farmers are typically arrogant.  Honestly I don't know any blue farmers personally but there seems to be tons of dealers.

Also, at my grandmas funeral a couple years ago I talked with the old AC dealer owner that is a friend of the families and was at the funeral.   Somehow we talked about Deere and he had tears come to his eyes when he talked about how badly they were maligned by Deere people with the rotor baler.  I didn't get into it but it seemed typical to what I've experienced. 

I like that Deere is an American company and makes a lot of products in America still.   I can see going there possibly but it'd take an act of God. 

BTW - Did you get your AGCO advantage magazine.  Two articles of note: A) all their pioneering of previous brands and on from MF mentioned.  B) They had their dealers and some farmers say color doesn't matter and won't affect sales.  Guess they know best! LOL

Byron WC in SW Wi wrote: BTW - Did you get your AGCO advantage magazine.  Two articles of note: A) all their pioneering of previous brands and on from MF mentioned.  B) They had their dealers and some farmers say color doesn't matter and won't affect sales.  Guess they know best! LOL

I wish they would have mentioned the early pioneering work with no till farming practices and the early work with air planters. White and Allis Chalmers were developing very accurate planters before it was "cool". It won't be mentioned in the next Advantage publication-because there won't be any more.

Edited by redline - 08 Dec 2010 at 9:41am

Byron WC in SW Wi wrote: BTW - Did you get your AGCO advantage magazine.  Two articles of note: A) all their pioneering of previous brands and on from MF mentioned.  B) They had their dealers and some farmers say color doesn't matter and won't affect sales.  Guess they know best! LOL

RedLine, Massey built a lot of equipment for the war effort.  It is pretty rude to imply that they are somehow cowards because they produced combines during the war.  I understand you are not happy with Massey for the simple fact that they are alive but that is getting a little ridiculous.

Redline:

I offer my apologies.

Glad to see you stayed with Gleaner.

Lonn, I am 99.9% certain that AC has done plenty of shady under the table work.  Especially dealing with electrical generation turbines and equipment.  Those big sales of farm equipment overseas would be the result of payoffs too.

JimIA wrote: Another reason is I went to a local community college for a farm implement mechanics course.  It was a great program, you were taught the fundamentals of all brands of products.  There was also a John Deere sponsored course at the same school.  A few years ago they dropped the all-brands course and kept the Deere program due to larger class sizes.  There are alot of things that bother me about the course, first off you have to take preliminary tests to get into the program, meaning you have decent book smarts.  Many of the mechanics that I know that took the regular program wouldnt have made it past these tests but are wonderful mechanics just the same, I'm sure better ones than some of the guys that come out of the Deere program.   Another thing that gets me is Deere provides training for the instructors and machinery for the students to work on.  In the other program local dealers and other machinery brands provided training and equipment just the same and didnt get their name on the program.  Also this is a tax funded school.  Funding for the instructors wages, office suppies, facility and etc either comes from tuition aor tax funding.  When you drive by a tax funded "community college" and see a John Deere dealer sign hanging on the building it puts a sour taste in your mouth.  Basically cheap advertising for Deere.

I am a graduate of one of these john deere programs. I have a different opinion on a number of your points. First, after almost 10 years, its clear to me that the ones who cant handle the other classes and tests can't handle working with todays equipment. Mechanics aren't the "grease monkeys" they used to be and need to be a lot smarter. My teacher told me the only difference between a doctor and a technician is that the doctor doesnt have to wash his hands before using the bathroom. Second, when i was in school, all our projects came from the dealers, students, or local farmers. As far as money goes, deere puts a ton of money into the school, and without it, i doubt there would be an ag equipment program at all. Thats probly why the generic brand courses were killed. Companies like deere have been printing textbooks and funding schools for as long as they've been around, and if they get some advertising out of it, i'm okay with it.

Sometimes the best mechanic are ones that can learn without being "taught", Ive got a 20 yr old amish kid that went to the 8th grade that will outwork and can do anything any of these kids out of tech college can do including fix anything, weld, machine parts, and yes run a computer!!

Steve M C/IL wrote: HIGHJACKED!!!!! LOL

I'd say, why is it everytime john deere is mentioned around here all heck breaks loose and amish kids start programming computers?

powertech84 wrote: Steve M C/IL wrote: HIGHJACKED!!!!! LOL I'd say, why is it everytime john deere is mentioned around here all heck breaks loose and amish kids start programming computers?

lonn...i had a deere dealer owner tell me the same thing back in the 90's. didn't like it then, and still don't like it now! and...i'm about ready to return to gleaner and trade off my red playthings! even tho the red dealer has treated me very good, the machines really haven't! and i've never seen anyone that wears a deere cap that there wasn't an a**hole under the cap!

SHAMELESS wrote: lonn...i had a deere dealer owner tell me the same thing back in the 90's. didn't like it then, and still don't like it now! and...i'm about ready to return to gleaner and trade off my red playthings! even tho the red dealer has treated me very good, the machines really haven't! and i've never seen anyone that wears a deere cap that there wasn't an a**hole under the cap!

Edited by Lonn - 09 Dec 2010 at 5:58am