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    Posted: 14 Feb 2015 at 11:18pm
I am in need of a better tractor for general use and for working around 6 acres of ground. I am currently using an Allis C for plowing and as a loader tractor and a Cub lo-boy for mowing and moving wagons. The Hederson loader I have for the C isn't all that great and I am worried that without much of a sub-frame that I could break a casting.  I have been looking to either upgrade the C to a CA or sell my C and buy a CA or WD45 sized tractor.

 My ideas are:
1. Find the back half of a CA and use my front half to build a C-CA mutt.
2. Sell my C and buy a CA outright
3. Sell my C and buy a different row crop tractor

I plan to use whatever tractor to plow, disc, plant, gather fire wood, move snow, and for light loader work. I know that other people have been in similar position and I am looking for any thoughts and ideas.
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I would get a WD45, if your looking for frame strength, a CA isn't going to be any stronger then a C. if your going to use it for a loader tractor.
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WD45 would be a good one for you I think, nothing wrong with a WD either for your use.  They are easy to mount a loader on and with tire chains can move lots of snow.
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A WD45 with a 4 bolt WFE and power steering would be slick for what you want to do!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dick L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2015 at 7:40am
I love my 9523 Simplicity/5020 Allis Chalmers with a loader. It gives you a true three point. (same tractor sold by two companies)

It has 11-2 x 24's on the rear now. I had plans of making it look like an Oliver 550 at one time.



What it looks like today.



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I have 5 acres.  My 5020 is okay but a little small.  My D14 is perfect, I did put a 3 point conversion on it.
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I used a plain straight WD with a Paulson loader for many years and never experienced any problems. Might want to add that to your list of options as around here the WD is spurned a bit over the 45 and you could probably save $1K if that is a factor for you. My 2 cents.
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I agree with you EPALLIS. The WD's don't get as much respect as the 45's, yet they are just as durable if not more so. They are cheaper to buy which is another plus.
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If you're looking for a cheap, modern-ish, bullet-proof tractor, I don't think you can beat a WD. 30HP on the drawbar, factory hydraulics and lift system, live power with the hand clutch. Over 140,000 built, so there are TONs of used parts. Easy to work on if you need to. The best part is that most of them that need a little love can be bought for less than a grand. You just have to get used to the gear whine!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dick L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2015 at 11:05am
Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

I have 5 acres.  My 5020 is okay but a little small.  My D14 is perfect, I did put a 3 point conversion on it.


Bigger tractors are always better. That is why I bought Oliver 1850's.
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I'd agree with everyone who is trying to steer you to a WD. Clap It all depends what is available in your area.  That or a WD45. Daunting at first, but then pretty easy to work on.
NOW, I wouldn't sell that C unless money is an issue.  You'll wish you had it back shortly after you sell it.  Find a mower for it and sell the Cub.
Me, I have a HARD TIME getting rid of any once they are in the farm yard.. LOL LOL
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If you do get a wd and plan to use it for any loader work get one with power steering.  Wide front would be nice too but.

My WD will lift over a ton before the rear wheels come off the ground but once I get more than a few hundred lbs in the loader steering becomes difficult and once I have more than 1500 pounds I can't steer at all.
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Is their anything wrong with the CA as a loader tractor? I don't plan on really moving anything other than snow and gravel for the drive. 
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I have about 4 acres and we have two WD's and a Ford Jubilee, Always find something for them to do.:) Dont have a loader but that would be nice. Plus a bunch of Cub Cadets.
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Originally posted by Sam (WI) Sam (WI) wrote:

Is their anything wrong with the CA as a loader tractor? I don't plan on really moving anything other than snow and gravel for the drive. 



Not one thing wrong with a loader on a CA or a C or a B. I have a Henderson loader out back I removed from a CA that I want to put on a B. (some day)
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I have a Henderson loader on my B. I use it more for lifting engines, finals, and whatever more than using it on the property. Although it does work great pushin' back the compost pile every once in a while...... Its my rubber tire engine crane.  LOL!
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The problems that have come up while using the c are a lack of traction and the lack of a rear lift system. It has trouble pulling loaded wagons on packed snow. I have thought about loading the rear tires with fluid to help with this. The lack of any type of rear system has been preventing me from getting a rear blade which would be very helpful in pulling snow away from buildings. I have been looking for a CA parts tractor to take all the snap coupler parts off but none have come up. Thanks for all the good advice!
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Owned a WD and never got along too well with it. Used a CA and was real unhappy with it. Got into the D series and loved them to death. Look real hard at D14, D15, and D17. The D17 gives you a lot more choices in tools and power.  I use a JD compact tractor for my 6 acres of garden and mowing, mainly have it for the FWA and hydrostat. D15 diesels are almost impossible to find.
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Does everyone with a loader on a small tractor have fluid in the tires?
Should I be able to drive through say 6 in of snow with out getting stuck?
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we have fluid in the back tires of a WD-45 with a loader and Case VAC with a loader. helps tremendously
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Looks like most of mine have the crap in the rear tires,---some of them I did manage to get drained out before it eats up the rims any further!
I own/use ac 440's---190 xtd III--B--C-- WD--WD-45 and 917 (18 hp upgrade engine) the 917 has plow for the smaller plots and one of the 45's plows the bigger plots!
For 6 acres I would look into the D series if more modern is what you want! as far as cub goes --it needs a new address! LOL!---I got 8 of them here taking up valuable space and only 1 is usable because I made a 3-pt hitch for it and cub sized equipment to use on it! thanks; ac fleet
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Originally posted by Sam (WI) Sam (WI) wrote:

Does everyone with a loader on a small tractor have fluid in the tires?
Should I be able to drive through say 6 in of snow with out getting stuck?


Yes, you need weight. Quick cheap weight for the C would be to place a plank over the drawbar and stack sand bags or such. Any time you put more weight on one end of a teeter totter than the other the light end comes up. If you have a loader out beyond the front of your tractor you have created a teeter totter out of your tractor and loader. Note my counter weight on my loader tractor. If I have room to operate I sometimes use the disc as a counter weight.
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  My 45 has rears full. It would be worthless with a loader without fluid. The fluid won't rot your rims unless it leaks out somewhere and gets on them. I had to replace a rim on mine   ( dang thing only lasted 40 years) since the PO didn't change out the valve stems regularly and the right one started leaking.
 I'm thinking of using windshield washer fluid or used anti freeze Shocked in the CA when I get it going again.


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I like my C a lot I probably use it more than my other tractors the aftermarket three point hitch (worksaver) is a basic hitch nothing fancy, Once the plowing and discing is done the bush hog rarely comes off.Incedently my loader tractor is a 52 Farm all Cub.You can get an old 4x4 pickup for moving wagons. My uncle used my B until he retired from farming before he got a bigger tractor he only contracted out the combining. He was a Tennant farmer and worked about 85 acres doing hay and feed for the cows,he would think I'm nuts he had one tractor for 85 acres I have 8 tractors for 5 acres but the B & C were the only tractor on a lot of farms for a lot of years.T.J.
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