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   Sunday afternoon at our show in Atkinson an Oliver collector was loading up to go home. I know this page is for Allis Tractors but this pertains to all. This guy was 3/4 the way up his ramp with a tip toe steel wheeled 60 or 70. On his wood deck trailer was maybe a 3" wide piece of channel covering just the outer edge. Well, he got too far to the left (too poor to pay attention maybe) and  one toe of his tip toe steel got on the steel channel covering the edge of the trailer. There was a big bang and the next thing you know he was trying to figure out how to get off the tractor. The bottom of the tranny was setting on the edge, his left wheel was doing air time and the right was in the center of the trailer. I said to myself out loud "don't climb off the downhill side". He did anyway. By the time help came in the way of 2 skid loaders there were 20-30 people standing around gawking. I just kept thinking what a mess it would be if the tractor flipped the rest of they way with all the people around,somebody would have gotten killed. I was within 50 feet of this all the time and was so worried about what could happen I never took my camera out. The tractor was lifted back on the trailer and appeared no wosre for the wear. Please everybody,be carefull out there. With harvest season about to be underway,keep sharp,stay alert and stay alive. 

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CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Tractor Safety Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 10:05pm
	Sunday afternoon at our show in Atkinson an Oliver collector was loading up to go home. I know this page is for Allis Tractors but this pertains to all. This guy was 3/4 the way up his ramp with a tip toe steel wheeled 60 or 70. On his wood deck trailer was maybe a 3" wide piece of channel covering just the outer edge. Well, he got too far to the left (too poor to pay attention maybe) and one toe of his tip toe steel got on the steel channel covering the edge of the trailer. There was a big bang and the next thing you know he was trying to figure out how to get off the tractor. The bottom of the tranny was setting on the edge, his left wheel was doing air time and the right was in the center of the trailer. I said to myself out loud "don't climb off the downhill side". He did anyway. By the time help came in the way of 2 skid loaders there were 20-30 people standing around gawking. I just kept thinking what a mess it would be if the tractor flipped the rest of they way with all the people around,somebody would have gotten killed. I was within 50 feet of this all the time and was so worried about what could happen I never took my camera out. The tractor was lifted back on the trailer and appeared no wosre for the wear. Please everybody,be carefull out there. With harvest season about to be underway,keep sharp,stay alert and stay alive.
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Chris(WA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Renton, WA Points: 228	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris(WA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 10:25pm
	Yep Accidents happen in a split second. Got to be carefull ALL the time.
	Washingtonian by choice, Wisconsin Farmboy by the grace of God!

Rfdeere Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Idaville, IN Points: 3283	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rfdeere Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 11:07pm
	I'll give everybody a little secret: DON'T load a steel wheeled tractor under it's own power. They are hard enough to keep under control with a winch.
	Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com

bigfish_Oh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: West Liberty,Oh Points: 1226	Post Options Post Reply Quote bigfish_Oh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 11:43pm
	me, being a "rookie" have no problem asking for help. I would rather be scared and learn something than be in the hospital. My wife ask if it was safe to drive on the trailer with my grandson, I said probably, but we will not do it. I bought my first '45 & plow 23 years ago, I friend said you better let me load it. I did not have a clue. He drove on trailer, rear of truck and trailer shot up in air, plow kept tractor from flipping, he took it right on up ,front wheels toward the sky till it fell back down. It was a narrow front with 2 ramps also.
	1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually

LouSWPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24299	Post Options Post Reply Quote LouSWPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 12:09am
	Maybe overkill on my part, but i will not drive a tractor on the trailer, I always winch. I'm a chicken. Neighbor is a sales rep for an equipement rental co. He was unloading an escavator on a job site, parked going up hill. as he started backing off, the weight of the machine raised the tongue of the trailer and took the weight off of the rear wheels of the truck and away went! He went about 100-150yards, across a road and hit a steel guide rail, before he could gather himself up and pull the machine back onto the trailer. Fortunatly he wasn't hurt. And he did this everyday, not a greenhoen

D15Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Carolina Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote D15Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 12:13am
	Whatever happened to the days when people had horse sense? When A-C built the first Roto-Balers the drives on the sides weren't even shielded--the engineers just assumed nobody would be stupid enough to poke a finger or toe into them. Old Simplicity tillers had no tine shields--again--who'd be dumb enough to challenge the totating tines from the back of the tiller? Lawnmowers now have all kinds of stickers saying 'don't put your fingers or feet under the deck discharge will the mower is in operation'. DUH. Rules and regulations and tort lawyers can't save people from themselves--they only drive up the cost of stuff with lawsuits. Bottom line--people are gonna do dumb things and there is nothing you can do about it. I'd wager that the guy who loaded the WD45 on the trailer knew the thing might rear up and steered it with the brakes. The difference is, he knew his horse and what it could do, and knew it's limits. He was probably having fun!

AtuckerKY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: West Kentucky Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote AtuckerKY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 8:30am
	We always teacher our students in ag classes to back a tractor up ramps. I know if you have an implement on the back you may not be able to do it that way.
	Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field. Eisenhower, Dwight D.

john(MI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262	Post Options Post Reply Quote john(MI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 8:49am
	I always carry a jack stand and before I even get the ramps, I put the jack stand under the rear of the trailer.

Allis Fields Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Reedsburg,Wisc. Points: 332	Post Options Post Reply Quote Allis Fields Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 8:56am
	I learned a leson on loading/ onloading a D-17 and plow on to a trailer. My plow will drag a little and to never od it on blacktop. It draged and my front slid sidways off the trailer.

Dick L Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dick L Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 9:16am
	I have loaded tractors front ways back ways and side ways. I have never had a problem. A problem can happen as quick as a wink though. A coupla things I try to do is to think about what could happen where and how the trailer is setting and if something did go wrong how will the tractor react. One other thing I practice is to get my path planed up the ramps and not put my foot on the clutch until the rear tires are on the trailer when driving on, also the same backing down the ramps. I drove my Gleaner E combines up onto the trailer below to go to one farm to the other also. You have to drive the big tractors on to have the weight ballanced. I winch on when the bed is wet.

FRANKO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote FRANKO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 10:29am
	I agree people will do dumb unsafe things but there is something you can do about it. As a designer of farm machinery for most of my working career, it was company policy and my duty to anticipate how people would use and misuse machinery and then to first eliminate, 2nd reduce, and as a last resort, to warn of remaining safety hazzards. That is why the shields and safety warnings are there. Now in retirement I am safety officer of Branch 3, Early Days Gas Engine and Tractor Association. I try to do my part by publishing articles about safety and encouraging others to be more safety concious. We can all help each other to be more safe.

Rawleigh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: White Stone, VA Points: 421	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rawleigh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 2:01pm
	I learned the hard way to always chock the front wheels of the truck when loading. I was loading a Cat D2 on a Hudson 5 ton bumper tow trailer. The ramps had legs on them so that the trailer would not squat too much. This night I was on a hurry and the truck was slightly below the trailer on a modest incline. As I was backing the dozer onto the trailer, my spotter and I were focused on the ramps and the trailer immediately below me. As soon as it got up onto the beavertail, the ramps flipped up between the radiator and the blade. I moved forward and they went back down. As I backed up again and the ramps rose up again, my friend who was spotting me on the trailer started yelling to stop and pointed at the truck. I looked over my shoulder and the rear end of my F250 was completely off the ground!! The legs on the ramps werre all that kept me from going on a ride like the one previously mentioned! Needless to say I tracked off the trailer, repositioned the truck so it was uphill on the incline and chocked both front wheels. It went smoothly after that! As I have often said about myself, it is better to be lucky than smart! I won't repeat that mistake.

Dave P Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: South Devon, UK Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave P Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 2:47pm
	Back in the 60's I was loading a Cletrac BD on a trailer pulled by a Fordson Major, as the crawler went over the point of balance the bump started the Major engine which was in 1st gear with all brakes on and we set off down the road, luckily at a snail pace and i was able to get off and stop the tractor, but a friend of mine wasn't so lucky, he had left his Major in reverse and the tractor engine started in reverse, it being a pneumatic governor fuel pump it revved so fast it destroyed the engine as the tractor turned over on a bank. fortunately no one was hurt, but......

Dick L Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dick L Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 6:09pm
	I think a lot of people loading tractors on car haulers have done a bit of trailer surfing. Key words are (Tractor) (Car Hauler) (Trailer Surfing) I haul my B mower tractor on a light trailer but have a couple of 6" X 6" blocks that I put in the center of the back of the trailer to limit trailer surfing.

Rick of HopeIN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hope, Indiana Points: 1324	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rick of HopeIN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 6:29pm
	I like to have a valley to park the trailer in since my ramps are a little steep. Always trusted the B, seems to have good brakes but could use a slower gear. With the plow it is a bit dicey. I am still not too comfortable loading the WC, it is a tight fit so I just about have to drive on. Probably should think about a winch for the old girl. It has a good low gear but the hand brakes need some work.