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Kinda OT..Corn?

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    Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 10:17am
What is the consensus on storing corn or selling it now. (I have no storage) I met my contracted corn agreement and ith what's left I was thinking on selling as local price is $6.10 vs my contracted corn (some at $5.24 and some at $6.89). I don't think we'll see $6.89 for some time. It costs 15¢ per Bu to store for 3 months and 3 1/2¢ per Bu for every month after that. I got to sell by May. Opinions? 
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Hi Lonn,
 
I'm good with others money ;)  What did your total yield make?  Sometimes it is an eye opener to look at the total revenue/acre and not get so greedy on the price!
 
FWIW, I think it will be higher later.  Harvest is most times the cheapest time of the year.
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I don't raise enough to really forward contract.  I'm sitting still on all my crops (soft red winter wheat, corn, beans) for while...at least December...based on my belief impact of the drought on yields and total production isn't fully realized yet and based on market patterns the last couple years.  My elevator is 3.5 cents a bu per month, 3 month min storage charge.  No charge if sold within 10 days of delivery.  Mike
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I sold mine. Could have made 40 cents by waiting a week, but the crystal ball didn't show that rise. Looks like its going to run sideways for a while until the total harvest is in and accounted for. Probably rise in January or February, unless the world economy goes bust and can't afford to buy at the current high prices.

If you make money on today's price, some would say "Don't be greedy. Take a profit and run to the bank with it."

That's what I did. Being greedy sometimes costs in the long run when the hoped for high prices don't happen or storage takes most of the gain. Usually it costs extra drying and shrink (as much as 21 cents a bushel for that extra point and minimum storage here) to store instead of sell.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ben (MI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 11:45am
Lonn,
Almost every year I have more grain to sell than what I contract on the 110 acres of soybeans and corn I farm (I don't have storage either). My corn is still standing, but two weeks ago we harvested the beans for which I had 700 bushels contracted for $13.21/bu., about half the grain I thought I'd produce. As it turns out, I averaged 48 bu. per acre, my best in 20 years farming on my own on mostly moderatley productive land. Anyway, I decided to just take the cash price for the rest, which were delivered over about 4 days. Day one's price was $11.00, day 2 about $11.20, day 3 about $11.40, and last day about $11.80.
While I wish I had gotten the $11.80 for the remainder of my beans, I'm still able to make some money at $11. So the moral to my long story is to have a good idea of your production cost when deciding whether to sell or store. The price goes down much easier than up. Also, I agee with a previous responder that the prices look like they will stay flat for awhile, but who knows.


Edited by Ben (MI) - 19 Oct 2011 at 11:48am
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I agree with the general sentiment.  Figure out what it takes to break even, after eveything is paid for, seed, fertilizer, fuel, repairs, etc.  Then ask yourself what profit you are comfortable with for your family, and any $$ you want to take into next year.  When that price hits...SELL, I have seen too many people second guess the market and loose.  Don't get greedy, sell when you can make your comfortable profit margin.  Yes you "could" make more, but you could "LOOSE" more too.  I bet I am preaching to the choir, but you asked!  :-)  I am sure you know it's all about the reisk/reward ratio, some guys can play well, others aren't so lucky.
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If you sell at that price you'd still have a VERY good ave price.Plenty of us sold early in the year for a fair bit less but it was still a profitable sale.Don't know how much rise you'll see by end of May.Could go either way.As Dirty Harry asked,"Do you feel lucky?" A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I was done in March with fwd contracts and sold then because everything was so out of whack price wise that I figured it couldn't last.I guessed wrong but still had downside protection locked in.Yeilds were off this year and I have a handfull of corn left after filling contracts.It's stored at the elevator and I'm just going to let it lay there til August or so and see what happens.It ain't enough to make or break me so it'll be "fun".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SHAMELESS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 2:49am
Lonn.....i don't have any hard storage either...i ussually sell at havest time, and put what money is left over on interest! (that's after what money the ole lady....ooops...i mean my loving wife doesn't find a use for)!! i keep a few wagon loads in one of my buildings, then in the spring i'll sell those for seed/fuel/fert money! sometimes the prices are good, sometimes not! kinda like going to a casino!
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Originally posted by WC7610 WC7610 wrote:

Hi Lonn,
 
I'm good with others money ;)  What did your total yield make?  Sometimes it is an eye opener to look at the total revenue/acre and not get so greedy on the price!
 
FWIW, I think it will be higher later.  Harvest is most times the cheapest time of the year.

189bu/acre so far. It's not a lot of corn acres either. So far I've been selling cause it's still a good profit and I don't trust the economy won't crash further in Europe and here.
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OK guys, thanks for the input. Before I got back to the puter I had decided to sell at $6.10 yesterdays loads. I think I will continue to sell what is left so I'm done with it. It's a good profit. I had contracted enough beans and corn to cover 90% of my input cost which was nice to have that security although the drought had me worried.

My least favorite thing about this whole deal is the marketing. It's a big game where I don't have a lot of control. I like doing an honest days work and getting an honest paycheck without the crap shoot but it's the way it is and it worked out this year. The marketing part I reckon to playing the stock markets. The game is rigged and you just have to be lucky. Once back in the late 80's early 90's (the last I farmed until a couple years ago) I stored beans when they were $7 at harvest but the US ag department projected $8 by January. It turned out that $7 was the high and I ended up selling at $5.18 in the spring minus storage. Only difference was back then I didn't need a bank loan to plant a crop so not as big of a risk.
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When I sell I sell spot.  I don't pay attention to the markets in most cases cause it's usually depressing to see what I "could've" gotten.  There are trends like prices go down during harvest time and in January but other than that if you can hold it for a few months and not sell in January you'll usually be ahead.

Although, with my edit I will say I don't trust the economy or prices to stay up either.


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I don't get upset when markets change after i've sold.  I contracted some last fall for $4.77 for this crop.  It was a very good profit at the time.  A friend of mine tracks how much $ he "lost" by selling at too low of a price.  That will drive you nuts.  I sold half of my extra corn (non-contracted) on Thursday.  Current price was $6.24, Jan price was $6.15 ish, plus $0.10-0.15 for storage for 3 months.  I sold for January, as the taxes i would need to pay would more than wipe out the difference.  I'm holding the rest for a little while.  I can handle price going up after I sell, but kick myself when holding crop and market tanks.  Bird in the hand theory.
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