Model B big end shims.

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   Hi all, I'm in the process of restoring my English B, I've had the crank ground by .20 thou and got all new bearings. I got the mains set up easy enough, but the big ends are very tight, to save me a lot of messing about and trial and error, could anyone be able to tell me what thickness of shims should be needed?
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joegrgraham Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Wiltshire, UK Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote joegrgraham Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Model B big end shims. Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 4:29pm
	Hi all, I'm in the process of restoring my English B, I've had the crank ground by .20 thou and got all new bearings. I got the mains set up easy enough, but the big ends are very tight, to save me a lot of messing about and trial and error, could anyone be able to tell me what thickness of shims should be needed?
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Dick L Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dick L Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 5:32pm
	Trial and error while using plastigage is the most common way because of the absents of measuring instruments. You can measure the inside diameter of the main bearings installed in the block before you install the crankshaft. Subtract that from the crankshaft diameter and add .002. That will give you the thickness of shims needed on both sides of the caps. To check to see if filing of the bearing inserts is needed I bolt a insert set in two caps and do the same. They may or may not need filed. After all the measuring plastigage is still needed to double check your measurements. The only short cuts that I know of that [works] is to take it to an engine repair shop.

Brian Jasper co. Ia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian Jasper co. Ia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 6:21pm
	When I overhauled my CA (same engine), I had to have my block line bored. When the machine shop did the work, they eliminated the shims altogether. If I remember correctly, the shim packs have 5 layers in them originally.
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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81833	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 8:02pm
	factory i think is .006 inch of shims. thats 3 of a .002 shim. if you ground 20 under the factory spec and had 20 under bearings, you might start at .006 shim ?????
	Like them all, but love the "B"s.

Dave Everett Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: England Points: 875	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave Everett Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 12:17pm
	Where in wiltshire??

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	I bolted all caps up without bearings or shims and measured several directions. I then shimmed until the vertical measurement was .001 or so less than what was called for. I then lightly honed the bore, making sure not to go oversize.
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joegrgraham Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Wiltshire, UK Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote joegrgraham Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 2:58pm
	Hi Dave, Hows things? was going to email Mark, but I lost his address! BTW, saw the pic of you and the A in T & M, Looks good, bit different to how it was when I came down to get those lift arms. Joe.
	If it seems like a good idea, do it. It's easier to apologise than to get permission.

Dave Everett Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: England Points: 875	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave Everett Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 3:07pm
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joegrgraham Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Wiltshire, UK Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote joegrgraham Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 3:22pm
	Cheers Dave, I'll give you a bell.
	If it seems like a good idea, do it. It's easier to apologise than to get permission.