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DaveKamp 
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 12:12pm |
Hi All... Just posting a gadget I had need for, and had a few minutes to slap together... for pulling invisible dog-fence wire. I made it adjustable, so it can go down a little deeper... but don't need to go beyond about 6"... but here it is:  This is without the depth-control shoe... and:  There's the shoe... and: 
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 12:19pm |
And the test results...  First pass, coming back over it, and the front tri-rib is perfect for re-seating the soil...  Looks really good... now to test the spool dispenser...  And...  And it puts in this wire REALLY WELL!
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 12:25pm |
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Now, just so it's clear... I built this thing to run in DOG FENCE... can't run it in more than a few inches, or it won't work well. I didn't intend to go in 10-16" or so, but I'm betting that if I put that serious of a knife on it, the D17 WOULD dig it through without any trouble, especially if I had some more ballast.
Next... that's a HUGE piece of wire... it's 3-twisted-pair audio communications wire that I happened to have a half-spool of. I wouldn't normally plow this stuff into the ground- it's not direct-bury rated, but it IS the biggest SIZE I'd ever try to push in the ground (both reel, and wire size). I know that if it'll put this stuff in, it'll put in tiny dog-fence wire just fine.
Tractive effort requirement for this size knife... in the soil I have here today (pretty wet), is next to nothing... the D17 pulls it like it's not even there. In the fall, it won't be so easy on the knife, but I don't think the 17 will have any problems making the cut. I'm thinkin' that I could put this knife on my Cub Cadet 109 and plow in dog fence easily... but if I were to ever go to a deep knife (like... 18")... it'd certainly be best suited to the 17 or larger tractor.
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 12:27pm |
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Great job I like it!!!
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 1:17pm |
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Makes that project 'fun'!
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 3:08pm |
Dave, here is somebody I know that has buried a lot of wire and never used a D17. LOL My sister Laurie.
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 6:24pm |
I built one I use behind my 917 H garden tractor. I put a coulter on it so it cuts instead tearing it.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 10:25pm |
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Yeah, a coulter wheel out front of the knife would do a nice job of slicing the sod. I've also been thinking that I'd probably be better yanking the shoe and putting either one, or two tires BEHIND the blade, with adjustable setting on the tires... thus serving three functions- first, being the control of depth, second, being that it 're-flattens' the surface... and finally... it helps hold the wire DOWN when traversing a dip in the yard.
Charlie- I could've made it for my Cub Cadet... or even made it a towable implement... but then I wouldn't have reason to use the D17. What kind of nonsense is that??? ;-)
Mebbie I'll make one that uses a lever to set in, and rig it to the drawbar of my hand-start B...
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Pat the Plumber CIL
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 10:32pm |
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Any reason to use a D-17 is a good reason!!! Is that the D-17 with the Hyd.pump up front?
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 29 May 2011 at 10:58pm |
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It's the one that will SOON have a hyd pump up front... the coupler is in... just awaiting next opportunity for lathe-time.
I had to set some things aside today... obviously the squall that came through put the kabash on outdoor stuff, so I took Nick into town to see the latest Pirates .. Caribbean movie... after that, I detatched the deck from my big ZTR to give it it's blade-sharpening and deck-repair work... made a new anti-scalp wheel, and also axle and retainer... patched up a crack in one corner where Ann hit a tree-stump pretty hard (hit the wheel bracket, hence wheel, axle, and deck).
I've ALSO been working on the interior of the ice-house... it's been converted to henhouse/garden shed, finally got the remaining interior walls closed, electrical panel installed, conduit finished, and now building workbenches and installing shelves for my wife... tomorrow I'll be plowing in the dogwire...
But first thing in the morning will be to reinstall the mower blades, reinstall the deck, fix one bent headlamp bracket, reattach lamp wire, weld on a protective ring around the headlamps... and replace the wood canopy with sheet aluminum...
But once that (and the wire plowing) is done, it'll be time to make the pump mount standoffs and mount plate for the front pump!
(then I'll make an adapter to connect a SAE #4 hydrostatic pump to the back of the bellhousing on a Chevy stovebolt six... for my forklift... the pump mount is done, the adapter shaft is done... just need to make the adapter plate and spacers...
If it ain't one project, it's four-five others...
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 1:12am |
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and i thought you was talkin bouts gettin to close to the fence with yer plow....we had that experience a couple times!! that danged plow wouldn't let loose of that fence!
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 6:22am |
 DaveKamp wrote:
Charlie- I could've made it for my Cub Cadet... or even made it a towable implement... but then I wouldn't have reason to use the D17. What kind of nonsense is that??? ;-)
Mebbie I'll make one that uses a lever to set in, and rig it to the drawbar of my hand-start B...
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Dave, I completely understand. My sister might not because her blood isn't Orange and she does that for a living and needs something smaller to get into places the 17 couldn't. Plus she has to carry the tool in the van with her.
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 7:23am |
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looks like a pretty smooth running outfit Dave and will sure beat digging it in by hand.
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 7:55am |
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That sure looks like a LOT more fun than a shovel!
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 10:01am |
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Very nice! Wish I'd ad that a few years ago when I opened a furrow with the G & plow. Went well until I had to row the sod back over by hand. Not fun!
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 11:42am |
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When you are done Dave, are you going to loan it out? Could use it myself. Nice job and ingenuity.
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 3:01pm |
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Sure, Ted- I got a company guy going up that way in about 2-3 weeks, I'll see who gets the assignment, and if he's willing, I'll have him set it in his truck and drop it off for 'ya!
Just plowed in 1800' of wire, took me 40 minutes... 45 feet per minute... or one foot every 1.3 seconds. Actually moving a little faster (1st high, just a little above idle), but we did stop a few times, back up, and re-point it to make tighter corners. Worked great. Only had one spot where I had to have John (assisting buddy) stand on the drawbar to help push it back down... we had to re-point for a tight corner, and there was some compacted gravel in the soil, so he 'helped' it get down, but once down, it went fine.
Amidst the pull, we found one tree root that DID cause the 17 to slip a right wheel and tear up the lawn a little... and in another area, we found a 10' piece of old rusty dog-chain. Didn't find a dog attached to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was one down there somewhere... it IS a farm, after all...
Charlie- I understand your sister's situation completely... but I guarantee you that if I had to, I could get my D17 INTO her van. The van won't quite be the same, and it'd scuff my tractor a little, but it's got enough torque, and enough gears... ;-)
The plow would be much more maneuverable behind the Cub Cadet, and of course, a guy could go buy a commercially built unit from Vermeer or the like... and it'd have more capabilities. Thinking I could change the design enough to make it a tow-behind for the Cub, but it'd need a bit of ballast (water tanks?) and be able to negotiate some tighter turns... but wouldn't need as-big a spool holder.
A PAIR of coulter-disks right at the front edge, and either a tire or
two behind (for depth limiting and re-packing) WOULD be the best way to
go.
I don't have any old C-discs around, and I've already done all the plowing that I need for now, so I'll be setting it aside, instead to work on the hydraulic system and get the backhoe attachment running!
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