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    Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 6:36pm
we have smooth live powered hydraulics! Tomorrow morning I will fasten the in and outlet hoses and tighten the cowling and grill down. I will have the inlet hose showing but the outlet will be hid. Some orange camo paint should help lol! Wow is it smooth! Thanks to all for the ideas and help, and a special thank you to the Doc, Skip and Glenn. Awesome! Smooth! Live!








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What make and model pump did you use?
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Nica a Joba!! Been putting some good AC hours in!
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Would you rather do all this again or change the worn shaft with the lobes?
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That is very nice. I wish all the posts about this were put together, I'd like to do that to my D19.
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Looks good Dana, ya saved er!!!!!   Im my opinion there is no better baler tractor than a D19, smooth, enough weight to handle the baler and rack, also it makes an excellent feed wagon tractor!!!!!
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That's pretty slick Captain. It sure is nice to have that little extra room up front so you can tuck everything out of the way. 
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NOW to add something . Those fittings you uses are Sec#40 galvinised fittings good for 125 PSI. I hope they are all on return or suction side of system and not on the pressure side. In fact i would be hesitant to use galvinised on hyd as it can flake and end up in oil. 
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I would never recommend schedule 40 fittings for a high pressure system but my 45 has had them on it since before I bought the tractor. When I put my hydraulic pump back in after having a guy rebuild it, it wouldn't bypass and blew out my Traction Booster gauge. I put a 5000lbs gauge on it and broke that. I then borrowed a 10,000 pound gauge and it went over 9400 before it by passed. I removed the pump and found and fixed the problem(at 2900 psi now) but i still have the Schedule 40 elbows on the system. They were exposed to way more than 5000 psi twice and nothing broke or leaks. Maybe I was just living right back then???
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I've known of ordinary plumbing elbows (usually rated for 125 PSI) to break at natural gas pressure and at ordinary water pressure. Some times just from the tapered threads being tightened too much. I've seen them applied at hydraulic pressure too and I won't do that. I don't like being drilled by a jet of high pressure hydraulic oil.

Dana, next I'd build a sturdy bumper in from of the lower radiator shroud so if you should accidentally bump a rock or push a tree that the new pump is protected from that contact. It looks like its diecast and won't stand the thrust of the tractor without serious damage.

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Schedule 40 steel pipe has a working pressure well above 125 psi. Its bursting pressure is many times above its working pressure. Below is a chart with pressures for standard schedule 40 steel pipe. You can buy diffent schedules of pipe and hydraulic fitting which are higher. The bellow is just for information. 

Standard Wrought Steel Pipes - STD - Schedule 40

Pipe Dimension
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Standard - STD - Sch. 40
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Working Pressure
(psi)
1/2 10380 1300
3/4 8610 1080
1 8090 1010
1 1/4 6745 840
1 1/2 6100 760
2 5185 650
2 1/2 5650 710
3 4940 620
3 1/2 5610 700
4 5270 660
 
Now for the real important thing. That is a nice looking job Dana! Sometimes it takes a little work to make the old hydraulics work like we want, but it brings a lot of satisfaction when we do something to make it like we wanted.
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Gee I installed hydraulic everything from pump outlet to control valve stack. On the stack return to sump line I also have hydraulic lines. The line feeding the pump is low pressure so I used heater hose and fittings. Should I change that to high pressure too?




Here she is all fini cept for the orange camo paint! Smoothest running pump I ever pumped! lol
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You don't want to use heater hose for your suction line....the oil will eventually get to it and it may collapse. There is "oil-resistant" hose of the same size I.D. as heater hose and that's what it's made for.
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Captain, in picture 3 of your original post it looks like you have a galvanized elbow which would appear to be a schedule 40 pipe fitting. Is that a pressure line?  What is the bypass pressure in the system?
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I guess that must be the stack return to the sump so it wouldn't be under pressure. Looks OK to me except maybe the heater hose. I used a piece of heater hose for a return line on the family 8N when I put a loader on it. It lasted for about 15 years before it started to blister and separate.
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I agree with Dr. Allis and Charles the heater hose won't stand up to hydraulic fluid long term and isn't really the best thing for the return line. It should last for quite a while though. I can't say how long, but it will eventually fail because of the hydraulic oil instead of normal wear. It is a good looking D19 though with the new seat and paint.

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In my case the heater hose was on a return line, your suction line,being heater hose probably isn't the best. It only takes a a minute with a collapsed suction line to end the usefulness of a good hydraulic pump.
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Galvanized should never be used for hydraulics either. The Galvanized coating can flake off on the inside and go through the pump.....thats what they taught us in hydraulics class.......

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Not to be the bearer of bad new Cap, but the galvenized fittings and the heater hose is not a good thing for hydraulics. Take it from a guy who builds hydraulic hose assy's  at my regular job repairing line trucks during the day. Even for a return, the heater hose will fail taking out the pump, not to mention a safety hazard. Use the correct hose with a much higher rated pressure for the system pressure that's established. Its much safer and much more reliable. God forbid if something lets go while its running and someone is standing near it when it comes apart! Not good. Ya did a great install job tho!  Sorry, I missed the original post on this topic. Haven't been on the forum as much as I used to...
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I do believe that I need to do that to my D 19 as well. Maybe this was discussed before and I missed it, but I'll ask anyway: Taking in mind that an original pump on a D 19 is high pressure/low volume, and I am guessing that this pump is high volume by comparison to the original, and probably less pressure, is there any adverse effects such as the lift arms lifting a lot less, and can the valve stack handle the extra flow? Maybe I am way off base here, but I just had to wonder about it, because I would very seriously like that set up on mine. It is a good looking job Captain!  Darrel
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C'Dana, I have to agree with the fellows on here about the heater hose and galvanised pipe. Use black pipe on the suction line. and it may be costly to put on hyd hose on the suction side but the hose will not collapse and cause failure. Pumps create so much suction when oil is cold that iot will cause screens to rip away from the welds in a 170when screen was partially plugged...Have had hoses seperate inside and not look collapsed and could not get oil to flow like it was suppose to.
  Replace that hose and the fittings and that will be an Excellent job well done. 
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Thanks y'all. I had no idea the suction line and galv pipe were bad. They will be fixed asap. Charlie my pressure releases at 2100 psi on each of my dual outlets. Is that about right? Also can/should I put another filter somewhere for this system? Thanks, Dana
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The best place for a filter is in the return line from the valve. Not in the suction line to the pump or a pressure line.

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