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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 1:49pm |
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I've had a chance to sleep on it and have decided to pull apart the WD I bought yesterday apart, fix the transmission and cobbled electrical and give it a fresh coat of orange. The guy I got it from said the past owner before him was brush hogging and hit something. The transmission seems to have locked up. The tractor will stall as soon as the clutch is released, both with the hand clutch engaged and disengaged, neutral, in gear does not matter. It appears he has had the pto gear box off, so I suppose I will start there and see if I can see any carnage up inside.
I am guessing I am going to have to split this tractor regardless of what I find. I suppose the first step will be getting the loader frame off of it so I have more room to work. Edited by AC WD45 - 02 Jan 2024 at 1:49pm |
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1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81066 |
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how sloppy is the gear shift lever ?.... DO you think it might be stuck in 2 gears ?? That might be a first look.
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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Shifter is sloppy but it does seem to shift in and out of gears OK. I am going to pull the shifter and housing and get a good look at the shift forks. The tractor seems to roll around in Neutral, but will not run unless I hold the clutch in. This issue is present bomatter what gear or combination of clutch I try, as soon as I release the foot clutch it bogs out and dies.
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1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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Dennis J OPKs
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Overland Park, Points: 433 |
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If he hit something, could it be PTO related to cause a lockup? Just asking. I've hit a dirt mound with a 45 with Woods brush hog & no slip clutch, and it didn't shear anything or kill the engine but I sure thought I tore something out.
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20479 |
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You've got PTO gear issues up inside.
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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My thoughts exactly Dr. Hopefully I can get the loader frame pulled off tomorrow and mess around with it a little. RTV all over the pto gear box has me really suspicious. |
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1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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Well, I got the loader frame off tonight and set it aside. It will go on the WD45 in the spring. I began my first visual assesment of the tractor to get an idea of what needs done. The list of what I found on my first once over is included in the photos. Tomorrow or this weekend I will see about what is locking up the transmission. I did notice the block has been repaired at some point. It seems to be holding but I think I will have it ground out and a more thoroughrepair made.
Till next time! |
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EPALLIS
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 1131 |
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Thanks for saving another Allis Chalmers WD! It is appreciated. A WD never dies, it just loses compression.
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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I have always been a believer in "if it can be saved, it should be saved". I have watched some real basket case tractors come back from the dead, and this one isn't even close to dead yet! |
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1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81066 |
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Got to be the best smelling shop in town !!
really... that is a good looking Straight Tractor ! Edited by steve(ill) - 03 Jan 2024 at 9:16pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Dirt Farmer
Silver Level Access Joined: 15 Sep 2020 Location: Illinois Points: 350 |
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Looks like a fun project, and your list looks familiar to what I had to do to one of my wd45s. Save yourself a lot of trouble and while you are replacing the wiring harness switch it up to electronic ignition, B+B can fix you up with that too, you won't regret it. Too hard to locate good points and condensers in this day and age. They also make LED bulbs that go into the original bulb holders.
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55allis
Orange Level Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 697 |
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I’d try cranking it over with the hand crank without the pto gear box…
It would tell if it was something with that… On my 45 hand clutch a pin was broken allowing it to slip, so I would have to hold the lever to go up a hill… Ended up tearing the whole tractor down anyway because the foot clutch hub broke… and here’s the ending result… |
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Lon(MN)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Elk River,MN Points: 1968 |
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To bad that tractor is not in my shop. I have every part you need. I took a -40 engine apart from a 1952 WD yesterday. $50 for the block. It has a very small crack between 2 and 3.
I see it has a WD45 carb, air cleaner and seat assembly. Is there a story that goes with that?
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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Lon, unfortunately the only story I have is "the last guy was using it to brush hog when he hit something and it locked up" So unfortunately I have no idea why what was done was done. As I understand, the WD45 manifold and carb is a common change. Unsure on the seat. It is definitely missing the spring and the seat shock is toast. But we will get there eventually. I've had about a dozen people tell me that about parts. But it's all in the chase I suppose! |
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Dennis J OPKs
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Overland Park, Points: 433 |
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You've got some work ahead of you if you going to bring it back to match your 45. Some serious farmer engineering gone on there. Good luck in unwinding that if that's the direction you're headed. Who knows what mysteries you'll find. Got to get to move first.
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captaindana
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Fort Plain, NY Points: 2460 |
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Dang it Steve I had to go downtown and get me some of them Vanilla Trees. All my cab tractors have them swing in’! Nice lookin project ya got here AC……
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AC WD45
Orange Level Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2013 |
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Well, I pulled the PTO gear box off, found nothing. Everything appears to be in good shape, hand clutch seems to be functioning. Checked main clutch, appears intact and functioning. Went ahead and pulled the shift tower, noticing it wouldn't shift to third. Well, thay issue was immediately diagnosed as a bad shift fork slide. I'll clean up the rust and see how it functions after, but I may just replace with a good used shift tower.
From there, I was able to inspect the transmission. Everything looks to be in fairly good shape for a 72 year old tractor. That said, it still seems to be locked up between the transmission and the main clutch. The tractor will roll fine in neutral. It will turn over and even start with the clutch pushed in, but as soon as I let off the clutch both in Neutral and in gear, it bogs out and stalls. I'm thinking the next step is going to be splitting the tractor to get the pto/hydraulic/hand clutch chunk out and get a better look, unless one of the experts have a better suggestion G_1704404825226.jpg[/IMG] |
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German Shepherd dad
1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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DrAllis
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The problem is ahead of the hand clutch and under the starter.
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AC WD45
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I assume you're seeing something I am not? |
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DrAllis
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Nope. Just by process of elimination. It kills the engine when you let out on the foot clutch with the tranny or hand clutch in neutral. Only thing it can be is a broken gear tooth jammed up from whatever he hit.
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Dave H (NE)
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Western NE Points: 288 |
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In the picture of the pto gears, it looks like a gear tooth or something is wedged between the pto gear and housing, and the housing is cracked.
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AC WD45
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I believe you are referring to a picture of the transmission case where there is a visible casting flaw. Otherwise I do not see where you are seeing a cracked housing. I believe DR Allis is 100% correct. I thought he was referring to the photo of the engine clutch at first. What ever the issue is it is in the PTO drive set. I've gotna few ideas to try now when I get back to working on it. On the bright side, the final drive for the PTO is in excellent shape. |
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1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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55allis
Orange Level Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 697 |
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Try what Doc says…
Have you pulled the inspection plate/ grease hole off? To see if you can see anything? |
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Ted J
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AC WD45
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I see what you are seeing. That's what I thought iy was too, but it's nasty RTV silicone from who ever had it apart last. |
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DrAllis
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Get a bar against the hand clutch O.D. (foot clutch locked/released) and turn the top towards the RIGHT (clockwise) sitting in the seat. Maybe a large punch and 4 lb hammer. Something is wedged.
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AC WD45
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That's the plan once I get out of work. We're in the slownseason so I should be back at it by noon Will post back with any results/findings. |
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AC WD45
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Dr Allis, I took your advice and tried moving the hand clutch. The hub bolts forward the clutch are hitting the pto drive gear. Underneath it almost appears the gear set may have slid backwards?
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DrAllis
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There's your problem. Looks like a split maybe ??? Not there to see.
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AC WD45
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No split, I'm thinking that retainer bolt wore and allowed that geat set to back out. Snapped the darn bolt trying to back it out, going to try and extract it tomorrow. |
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