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Wispitfiremike 
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Posted: 05 Jul 2022 at 8:56pm |
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Bought a Ford Ranchero for 100$ back in the day LOL yea awhile ago but anyway the frame was rotted behind the cab and you could feel it flex when you stepped on the brake. Spooky. Swapped some parts I wanted off it and sold it to a boneyard. Two weeks later I start getting parking tickets on it as one of their employees was driving it back and forth to work. Called and had them take my name off title, explained the reason I sold but figured it was their call to drive it. Toyota had a major problem with these frames and had to recall or rebuy many still on the road. Had a buddy with a mint truck but rotten frame, he was po'd with offer from Toyota but what is option? Bottom line buyer beware.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2022 at 1:39pm |
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Ive had a couple vehicals the the sub frames rotted off. On was a BMW 2002 car looked great sub frames were paper thin I could crush with my hand traded back to the same BMW dealer i bought from. I got more than its was worth but it was a valuable collectable they knew it would sell. The second was a subaru turbo XT another good looking car but the body strenghteners and sub frames were shot I poked thru with my finger. I drove it to a buddies wrecking yard ulled the battery and watched it go thru the crusher. I didnt wantsome one to buy and put ack on the road. It looked good ran great. Was real fun to drive but had a lot of hidden cancer.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2022 at 7:42am |
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FREEDGUY wrote:
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Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens.
Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion. |
He understands "now" that he "should have" done some more "homework", but even "CARFAX" showed no red flags, and to be honest, WHO would think a frame is a liability ?? IMO, that structure should be built heavier than the engine block   !! |
Who would think a frame is a liability? On a 16 year old vehicle?? Um, me for one. I've looked UNDER every used vehicle I've ever purchased. |
Have you "BAILED" on the purchase based on your sluicing? If so, what brand was it for frame failure to your standards ?? |
If that last sentence wasn't a lame pun attempt, it was just stupid...  |
Gee Dave, you pick on him as if you had no consensus. 
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Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 8:14pm |
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Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens.
Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion. |
He understands "now" that he "should have" done some more "homework", but even "CARFAX" showed no red flags, and to be honest, WHO would think a frame is a liability ?? IMO, that structure should be built heavier than the engine block !! |
Who would think a frame is a liability? On a 16 year old vehicle?? Um, me for one. I've looked UNDER every used vehicle I've ever purchased. |
Have you "BAILED" on the purchase based on your sluicing? If so, what brand was it for frame failure to your standards ?? |
If that last sentence wasn't a lame pun attempt, it was just stupid...
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Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 6:09pm |
[QUOTE=steve(ill)]jay... if BUDDY has the same mechanical ability as FreeGas.... body change is a NON STARTER !! [/QUOTE How do you know my "abilities" ?? Sadly, I've taken on more FORD engine issues than I EVER did with my '95 DODGE 1500 4x4 that dropped a front wheel bearing and I had to change it on the the side of the road  . I didn't even ruin the axle seal  |
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Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 6:02pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
FREEDGUY wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens.
Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion. |
He understands "now" that he "should have" done some more "homework", but even "CARFAX" showed no red flags, and to be honest, WHO would think a frame is a liability ?? IMO, that structure should be built heavier than the engine block !! |
Who would think a frame is a liability? On a 16 year old vehicle?? Um, me for one. I've looked UNDER every used vehicle I've ever purchased. |
Have you "BAILED" on the purchase based on your sluicing? If so, what brand was it for frame failure to your standards ??
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Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 7:12am |
FREEDGUY wrote:
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Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens.
Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion. |
He understands "now" that he "should have" done some more "homework", but even "CARFAX" showed no red flags, and to be honest, WHO would think a frame is a liability ?? IMO, that structure should be built heavier than the engine block !! |
Who would think a frame is a liability? On a 16 year old vehicle?? Um, me for one. I've looked UNDER every used vehicle I've ever purchased.
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 8:35pm |
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jay... if BUDDY has the same mechanical ability as FreeGas.... body change is a NON STARTER !!
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 7:46pm |
OK another option..., find a same year vehicle say NM or SC ( no rust ) ,will be a GREAT 'rolling chassis', then swap the cab,box,tin.. That is an easy 'shade tree' mechanic or 'high school auto shop' project. box is 8 bolts, cab 6-8, rad/fenders another dozen ? NO brakes/gas lines to remove,chassis wires stay put. Any good parts from the 'rolling chassis' could be resold to recover some of the costs. It should only take 2 guys, 2-3 days to remove the good cab,box,etc. another 2-3 to put them on the 'rolling chassis', another 1-2 days to fill fluids and check stuff. There are 'tricks' to make it easier but it IS possible.
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:43pm |
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Well I do feel for he guy, but IF the entire rest of the truck is near mint, tossing 20K into the frame could be worth it,considering what new trucks sell for.
Swapping in the new frame for not a 'big deal'. Just need tools, time and a place to store 'stuff'. I did a true frame off refurb of my 57 Willys pickup. The challenge was moving stuff around and around in the garage. Prety sure 'tetris' was invented from my moves....
Time to do the 'swap' ? probably 7-10 days of real work, mostly depends on tools and shop space. Several guys up here have swapped Chevy cabs and boxes.
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Thanks JAY for the info, his local mechanic said "NO WAY" on the frame swap as far as a labor $$ option
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:40pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens.
Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion. |
He understands "now" that he "should have" done some more "homework", but even "CARFAX" showed no red flags, and to be honest, WHO would think a frame is a liability ?? IMO, that structure should be built heavier than the engine block !!
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:31pm |
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 9:04am |
Gassy thinks changing a coil on a plug is a major operation... I doubt he and "buddy" are doing a repair or frame swap.. 
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 7:00am |
Well I do feel for he guy, but IF the entire rest of the truck is near mint, tossing 20K into the frame could be worth it,considering what new trucks sell for.
Swapping in the new frame for not a 'big deal'. Just need tools, time and a place to store 'stuff'. I did a true frame off refurb of my 57 Willys pickup. The challenge was moving stuff around and around in the garage. Prety sure 'tetris' was invented from my moves....
Time to do the 'swap' ? probably 7-10 days of real work, mostly depends on tools and shop space. Several guys up here have swapped Chevy cabs and boxes.
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Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 6:43am |
Gassy, sorry to say, but it's as simple as your buddy blew it on this purchase. Did not check out a 16 year old vehicle close enough and bought a t**d. It happens.
Dave is right about the steel, however I must say I am surprised Toyota did this in 2006. Just my opinion.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:10pm |
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Recycled steel, contains all variety of alloys, loads of odd types where most recycling steel works only check for quality of pour and carbon content, called Bastard Steel. Lost Great Uncle to Laclede Steel roller mill, he was dragged in with steel being rolled out but cause undetermined. Many other cousins worked there where knew who they supplied, GM was a big buyer for trucks as was IHC, both turned to corroding piles in a few years.
Laclede also produced black steel pipe for industry as gas line fitters where had similar results.
Japan copied US recycling to keep costs down, thus the rust issues.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:06pm |
Thanks,he's pursuing all options at this point and is literally sick about this purchase  .
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Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 7:03pm |
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Can always buy another frame
That would salvage it.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 6:47pm |
The poor guy found out yesterday from an independent welding shop that there is no hope of salvaging his purchase 
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Posted: 26 Jun 2022 at 6:04pm |
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Japan's Low Grade Recycled Scrap steel shows out like the Rust days of 1970s GMs and IHC Light Duty trucks. |
But WHY did that steel only effect certain models of frames ??
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Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 11:30am |
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Japan's Low Grade Recycled Scrap steel shows out like the Rust days of 1970s GMs and IHC Light Duty trucks.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 11:11am |
Toyty emblem is oval ...........................like Ford . An they let all colors in very dark but don't know as you could call it black.
Every place has a plus, I pay more for gas but no rust on any of the 20, or 30, or...............almost 50 year old trucks here.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 6:39am |
I was looking at a real nice Tacoma last year. Then I raised it up on the lift. Holy Cow. Good thing I didn't test drive this t**d, probably would have broke in half. I wouldn't actually call them 'quadrants' just repair sections you weld in. That was the problem, there wasn't much to weld to because of the rust. Anything you touch is going to fall apart. Control arms, everything. Not a bolt on it would have come out in one piece.
Checked into full frames, pffft. Price and availability wasn't feasible.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 7:37pm |
y co worker says there "are" replacement frame kits
YEP.... all it takes in $$$$$$$$$$$ ..
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:17pm |
[QUOTE=Dennis J OPKs]It's no secret that Toyotas including pickups of that vintage had that problem. Have a friend that had one showing early signs of the rust problem & he managed to trade it off while it still had some value. Not sure what year model they figured it out and hopefully fixed it.[/QUOTE My co worker says there "are" replacement frame kits (quadrants) but its finding a local welding shop to install  |
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:14pm |
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Sadly, I think it's the MDOT state road spreaders . I cringe every time it snows as I have to drive at least 5 miles on state roads to get from point A-B
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:08pm |
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Sooo, somebody bought a 16-year-old vehicle in Mi and didn't look under the body? SON you have gots to bend those knees!! FWIW - There is more than likely a video on YT for that little situation! |
What is the under carriage condition of SEA SALT buggies, or is this an external/body issue ? I NEVER said where he bought the 4 Runner, You guys ASSUME too much !!!
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:05pm |
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I guess the blue has run out of Toyoaty emblem on this one. Or would this one be the blue has run into the circle. Dang is it a oval or a circle, I will look at the Toyoaty that lives here when it returns. |
I don't think there's ANY color in the toyota emblem, if there was, it would still be there unlike a FMC product
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:53am |
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Mid 2010s to current Ford F150s are seeing a similar issue, Box section frames that cannot be cleaned OUT and were not treated or even thoroughly painted Internally with corrosion making them swiss cheese. Friend, Owner at local body shop has one they are reframing is a 2015, Ford is supplying the frame N/C just to accommodate the owner as only has 67xxx miles on it. Old Frame looks like something from the 1950s out of a dump so rusted, New frame looks similar in design but is different.
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Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 6:48pm |
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It's no secret that Toyotas including pickups of that vintage had that problem. Have a friend that had one showing early signs of the rust problem & he managed to trade it off while it still had some value. Not sure what year model they figured it out and hopefully fixed it.
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