is tired of being embarassed.....

so I've pulled with the WC a few times and have to say Im disgusted....Farmalls and JD's running ALL over me....the governor wont let it open up(I could honestly bypass it and not hurt it for the pulls I think), and it just doesnt have enough guts....what to do? I have a 45 parts engine here I can part out to stroke mine but is it worth it? Ideas? Or should I just start with something bigger?

the worst part is Im one of about 4 people in a tri county area that runs AC.....Olivers are more popular around here!

there isnt much of a max RPM rule around these parts...you should hear some of these things scream

how about an RC rear end set

How much money do you want to spend?  

Well can I say go Oliver? I'd rather see an Oliver beat an AC than any other color!  I've always liked Olivers. Had 3 on the farm and really enjoyed running them.

Lou beat me to the punch on that one!

Edited by morton(pa) - 01 Sep 2010 at 11:19am

Charlie175 wrote: So for Old Allis Pullers, what can be done to help them out without dropping a load of cash? B? C? CA? WC? WD/WD45? I run against Oliver 60's (which I normally beat) but get whipped by 8/9N, Farmall B's in the 2500 lb class.

NOTHING !!!! Most pulling tractors have a different engine than what came in them stock even if it is stock. such as oliver 77s with 310 or 320 wakeshaus wc with combine engines c and h farmalls have combine engines. then they are the ones like myself with combine engines and 10000 dollars worth of parts and cubic inches. ps the fords have 192 cubic inch engines in place of the 172 and the 8 and 9ns have funk conversions.

Edited by mlpankey - 01 Sep 2010 at 12:46pm

Nitrous is lazy....not a bad idea but I wont use it. I've thought the idea of an Oliver, but I'll stick to my guns and still run AC....found a D15D for 2000k or best offer and a D17D for 1200 obo....still checking pics, condition etc....I'd prefer to go diesel, and I think it would be easier to get power out of them....are they? whats the dry weight of these 2 types of tractors? I still want to pull in the 4500 and up classes but could always pull the WC in 4500 and a D series from there up.....

 Benny, to be a successful puller takes a lot of careful planning. Tractor color don't mean a thing.  It's the pilot and the machine and the track. The machine can be the most important, but not if another pilot can stay out of the minefield left by previous pullers and you can't. Or you don't get the balance right to keep the front end down and the drawbar up, likewise the tire  size, pressure needs to match the track , and the power you have.   A lot of good info has  been shared here  but remember you crawled before you walked and you more than likely fell a lot learning to walk.  My advice to you is fine tune that WC, get her running like it should, put her on a diet, pull at 3,000 and 3500 in a 3  or 3.5 mph class, your out of your league in 4500 with out a fresh engine with a few light inexpensive mods. Get the basics down  pat, first, then determine what you need to do to improve, whether its more seat time, more traction , or more power. I started with a WD45 and it took a few years to start winning. My  D17 I pull now is still yet to win at the home track, but it will , and the rules will change and it starts all over again.   I don't have the money to throw at more power and it wouldn't help me anyway.  I pulled once last year ,at our fair , took 2nd out of 28 in 4500 , I went down the right side of the track , Ollie 88 went down the left side ..beat me by inch's.  Don't give up, get smart and you'll get luckier.

get some menthonal lol.. Its cheaper than gas

well benny if u really wanna pull with an older tractor get a d-17 diesel and run a d-19 head and cam with the turbo assy , then u can pour the fuel to it and file the governor weights oh and also dont forget remove the dowel pin from the flywwheel and tapp it and add another bolt, this will help hold it together when u add a heavy duty buton clutch ( trust me u will be slipping the clutch to spool that turbo if u go to a high gear setup)  u will have the advantage of a 2 speed hi and lo, and also be able to gut it down to a lighter weight.  i would add a support in the center casting for the clutch shaft also.  sorry if i got carried away but have thought about building one myself.  hope this helps

my dad had a wd he pulled with it  he was getn bet some but then he buillt it with help from a spare gleaner e moter  he had worked on the govs and put a diffrent manafold on it he said winning was easy after that lol

Josh, have you ever done the build you're talking about? Just curious. To run a D19 head going to need a later block with the water pump on the block. Early engines has the pump on the head.

Anyone can compete with a "stock" tractor, the devil is  in the details my friend! Drop a class and get into the 3500# class and dominate.