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    Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 12:19pm
Hey guys... my G tractor misses on cylinder 3. If I insert the end of the plug wire all the way into the hole in the distributor cap, it misses on that cylinder. If I pull the plug wire out and hold it about 1/8" away from the hole, a bright blue spark jumps to the wire, and it fires on that cylinder as long as I hold it there, but as soon as I plug it back into the cap, it goes back to missing again.
I changed out the distributor cap and spark plug wire with those from another tractor and nothing has changed.
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Thanks guys, I went out and put in a new Autolite plug and that solved it! So while I was there I changed the other 3 as well since they are all probably 10 years old or more.

They had some dry carbon fouling, but why would the plug be causing the misfiring?
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Maybe some breakdown in the insulation, or an issue with the electrode? Strange things happen with high voltages!

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You can "make" a plug bad, by merely writing a line down the insulator, with a pencil.  Son't ask me how I learned this highly useful trick...  Also works on the under sides of distributor caps...Wink
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The circumstance you're seeing is referred to as 'carbon fouling'.  Carbon builds a 'skin' along the ceramic surface, and becomes a resistor which 'leaks' current to ground.  When the coil primary winding is interrupted, the magnetic field of the coil collapses, causing voltage to build rapidly at the high end of the coil tower, which charges the accordant plug wire ONCE the resistance across the rotor gap is low enough AND the spark plug gap has been breached by corona-effect.  Having a carbon track from the electrode center to shell (ground)  dissipate's the coil's voltage early, holding it's voltage too low to establish corona (incipient plasma discharge... aka... form a spark) at the plug.

The coil energy, instead of 'snapping' across the gap, bleeds off down the carbon trace.

Consider it like this:

Put a golf ball on  a tee, grab your favorite driver, and whack that ball 300yds down a fairway.  Now step into the shallow end of your local public swimming pool... set that golf ball down  in the bottom of the pool, grab your driver and whack the ball.  Won't go far... why?

Because all your swing energy is lost trying to push the club through the water.

When you lift the plug wire, the gap in the wire disconnects the plug (a resistance leak to ground) and prevents the coil current from leaking off UNTIL the breakover voltage of the gap you've made, is exceeded.  At that point, voltage across the plug gap goes from zero, to extremely high... even WITH the carbon trace, voltage rises too quickly to 'bleed off', and an arc forms across the plug gap... and you have spark.

Many things can cause carbon fouling to start, but once it starts, it's darned-near impossible to stop WITHOUT replacing the plug.  Having too cold a plug, either by the incorrect choice, or having an improper mixture, a lazy valve, leaky rings, bad head gasket, or some foriegn blockage in either the intake or exhaust manifold, a leaky intake/exhaust gasket, or a crack in either, will upset the airflow and mixture enough to carbon-soot a plug.

It is also not uncommon for a bad mixture overall (like, too lean) to cause a cylinder to drop, even without carbon tracking... it's just too lean to ignite well, at the compression and spark energy level available.  Lifting the plug wire will often make just enough difference in spark 'heat' to light off a very-lean mixture.
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Dave, thank you for that very thorough explanation, and for the "dumbed down" parts for guys like me, who aren't all that familiar with this sort of thing. Wink
I never realized there could be so many causes of the problem and of carbon fouling, 


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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

You can "make" a plug bad, by merely writing a line down the insulator, with a pencil.  Son't ask me how I learned this highly useful trick...  Also works on the under sides of distributor caps...Wink

You can ruin a good coil, by pulling the coil wire out and cranking the engine over too. The spark will find it's easiest path to ground and burn a nice path down the outside of the coil.
 Same thing can happen to the inside of a magneto cap if you crank it over without any wires hooked to a spark plug. It will burn a path on the inside of the cap and ruin it for use.
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