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Hunt4Allis 
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 6:58am |
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Can a series 1 d-17 run a round baler horsepower wise and any other requirements? I'm thinking of buying one but want to be sure I can run it first...
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allisbred
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 8:17am |
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What Baler (size) and what are the hydraulic remote requirements?
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 11:01am |
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I ran a 851 New Holland with a series 4 diesel new rear tires, new brakes, tires loaded. The baler needs 2 way hydraulics. Putting out 70 hp on the PTO. It worked ok. I would not have wanted anything smaller on there in the hills.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 12:53pm |
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I had the same questions. I got a great deal on a Vermeer 605E baler. I bought it on the spot. Then, the tractor (d15) did not have 2 way hydraulics. The baler would have been too much for the d15 anyway. But, you do need two way hydraulics to dump the bale sails above. If you do not have too many steep hills, and if the d17 has 2 way hydraulics, it might be okay. I am not saying it will play with it, but it may do okay. You can always make a smaller bale, like say a 4x5 instead of a 5x5. It requires a bit more power when you get a bale almost ready to dump. Hope this helps. I am now using a 190xt diesel. I looked around until I found a tractor for the baler.
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Joe(TX)
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 3:02pm |
I had a Vermeer 504G and a 504F, The book recommended 50 HP min. The 605E Vermeer is a soft core baler and the HP required is lower. My New Holland 654 has a recommended HP of 80.
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Ky.Allis
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 5:09pm |
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The Vermeer 605E was Possibly Vermeer's biggest mistake for a round baler ever built. Their first attempt for a open throat baler and only lasted a short time. Save yourself a lot of headaches and get something newer. It's strange that Vermeer invented the round baler and then let John Deere pass them up in sales and performance and they are still trying to catch up.
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Hunt4Allis
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 6:22pm |
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I'm not sure if my d-17 has 2 way or not.
There's the normal female quick connect up by seat bracket and also a hydraulic hose coming from the transmission area running to back of tractor with a male quick connect type plug on it?
I just realized that I posted this question in the classifieds...(woops)
Can a post be moved easily somehow to the farm equipment thread?
Edited by Hunt4Allis - 25 Jun 2020 at 6:25pm
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PaulB
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 7:33pm |
 Ky.Allis wrote:
It's strange that Vermeer invented the round baler and then let John Deere pass them up in sales and performance and they are still trying to catch up. |
Really: I believe that ALLIS CHALMERS had a round baler in production in 1948, long before Vermeer existed. Granted it's not a big bale, however the SOFT CENTER and the expanding chamber are principals that most all the big round balers are using.
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allisbred
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 8:51pm |
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I have an older Vermeer 504 SI that requires (1) two way remote and electric tie that runs through the monitor. I run it with a 185 but believe a D17 would do it(not in silage), May make it work a little. These are open throat Balers and very reliable.
Edited by allisbred - 25 Jun 2020 at 8:52pm
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 8:57pm |
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I ran an old 605 Vermeer for years with a 706 IH, one hyd outlet and manual tie, was a good combo. Then got a CIH 8480 soft core, took way more power, ran it on my 8030. did use 706 one time and it wasn't big enough for a good job.
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 9:08pm |
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Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 9:10pm |
Hydraulics on the earlier D17s would be the limiting factor. Most D17s before Series 4 models were high pressure low volume single acting systems. Not ideal for something with a lot of hydraulic demands - lots of cylinders/double acting. A D17 series 4 or newer would be far better as they have the low pressure high volume double acting hydraulic system that is the industry standard.
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Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 9:58am |
A friend of mine ran a NH 851 with a series I D17 for years. He had a valve installed for the 2 way cylinder. He did not wrap a full size bale however. The hydraulics are slow but the pressure was no problem because of the balers relief valves. My first Vermeer had electric tie which was better than the manual tie I have seen.
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Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 2:26pm |
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How would you install a valve to make it two way hydraulics on a d-17?
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Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 5:02pm |
Hunt4Allis wrote:
How would you install a valve to make it two way hydraulics on a d-17? |
Real easy. Find a place convenient to mount a 2 way open center valve, run your rear remote line to the pressure in port on the new valve. Run the return line back to the tractor reservoir and plumb the two output lines back to a set of pioneer couplings on the back of the tractor. When you want to use the 2 way valve, put your lever under the steering wheel all the way up, pushing oil thru the new valve. If you use a Pioneer style coupling to route pressure to your new valve, just disconnect it, when you want to use the original remote.
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Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 5:55pm |
Depends on the baler. I've ran a hesston 5530 for years, with a D-10 or D-12... 
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Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 8:47pm |
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Mount a 2,000 psi open center valve to the left side of the seat so that you can use the hand clutch with your right hand and operate this valve with your left hand. This is because when you depress the foot clutch the PTO and hydraulic pump are dead.
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Posted: 27 Jun 2020 at 10:21pm |
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Depends on the baler when I was a kid neighbor pulled a Deere 410 baler with his 160. I pull a NH Roll Belt 450 with a 8030 and glad a don’t have anything less. Salesman said minimum tractor is 115 hp for that baler. Early D series only has single action hydraulics I think our baler will not latch the gate without double action hydraulic.
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