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    Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 3:31pm
Seems to come and go . Hope this is not an early warning sign of a catastrophe . When I pulled the bull gear pan I could see where the gear had rubbed the inside of the pan sometime before I got tractor . Hope my fav son will post a picture . Thanks
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Jack it up and push the tire top in and out. That's camber not toe it caused by bad wheel bearings. If the top of the tire moves when you push on it it's bad. On my C I was able to change shims on the spindle and tighten it up enough to make me happy. Changing the spindle bearings is a fairly involved task.
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Ok , thanks Dave .
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Have left rear tire jacked up . No movement when I push and pull on the top of the tire . Anything else I should do before I let tire down ? thanks !!




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um, that's the RIGHT tire, the way I see it...
My D14 was like that, 20 year ago. I 'cheated' only replaced the bearing 'race' and smaller 'cone'. Bigger 'cone' looked OK...Been fine ever since.

OK, looking at it again, yeah left side( no muffler in picture...) sigh, I suppose I should get trifocals so I can SEE the screen....
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When you had it jacked up did you spin it. If the rim isn't running true with the wheel center you should be able to see it when you spin by hand. Is the other tire a match and inflated the same. I assume the other tire is on the same concrete pad. If you have no grabbing crunching lurking or jerking and the wheel center isn't loose I'd run it till something breaks.

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If that tire has fluid in it, Sasquatch ain't tough enough to wiggle that tire in and out at the top.  Use your level with the tire just off the ground and again when on the ground. Much change in the level reading means there's a loose bearing.
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Now we're getting somewhere . Both rear tires are slap full of water . With a chalkmark on the concrete I can see in and out movement when I spin the tire . Thanks everyone !
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Be really, REALLY carefull when removing the tire !!! Dang things weigh 500#+ pounds and have a mind of their own !! Safety first !. I get tire 1.5" off ground, put 1" deck board underneath ( so 1/2" air gap) take all but 2 nuts off,THEN, when rim is free, remove last 2 nuts and SLOWLY roll tire away. Two healthy guys makes it nice to do just be sure to know WHERE you can run if (when) it decides to fall down. Do NOT try to 'keep her upright' ! when that happens...water weebles-wobbles so going snail slow is best.
I must be getting old, paranoid about safety....

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Point well taken Jay . I've had both of these loaded tires off and recruited my fav son to help me . I ain't no spring chicken either . Thanks !!
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Fav son? Seems to me you’d want to get your LEAST fav son to help. Just in case.
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Fact is he's my only and most favorite son 🙂
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Followed the Dr's advice and this tire/wheel is a whole bubble different from just raised to lowered . guess I have a bad bearing ? Dunno if I should roll the dice or fix it ? Dumb question I'm sure . Should say other tire always looks plumb . Thanks ! 
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Tractor tires seem to budge at the bottom depending on inflation.
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Now I wish I hadn't watched that video Dave . Thanks anyway
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If I'm reading this right I can remove the rear wheel/tire . Then check axle for in/out movement . If loose , removing a few #70237929 shims should help ? This sound right ? Thanks !!
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Took a couple tries but I have my wheel cribbed up where it's just off the shop floor . Soon as I recruit some help I'm gonna pull this loaded tire . Also have the inner cap pulled off . Thanks !
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just be careful !
keep two studs in to be SURE the rim is OFF the hub BEFORE  wrestling it off... A very heavy, sloshy tire is INCONTROLLABLE when it decides to to 'walkabout' !!
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Yeah Thanks Jay .
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Fav son helped me pull this loaded tire today . I removed the cap screw , 3 shims , and 1 thick washer with a roll pin . Have no in or out axle play . Problem must be in the upper/main axle or bearings I guess ? I see where the washer #70228815 is scored/worn where the shim's been rubbing it . Should the roll pin be sticking out enough to prevent this ? Any advice is greatly appreciated . Thanks !
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The roll pin is to keep the axle from unscrewing the bolt thru the washer. Roll pin should be thru washer and into the axle to do this. If washer has score marks, bearing or bearings could be bad. When in that far, I would replace seals and both cups and cones, on inner and outer . Bearings will have a slight preload on them when correct. If washer is bad, resurface it if only a little will clean it up, if not, replace.It will take a couple of tries to get it right. HTH Tracy
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Make sure the four nuts are tight holding the axle housing to the differential case are TIGHT !! I've seen a couple loose over the last 45 years...…..
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Yeah Tracy the roll pin fits in the axle but i was wondering about the other side of the washer . The 3 shims have slots in them that maybe the roll pin also fit in . It's not sticking out now and that's where the washer's scored . Might be able to file washer smooth but I'll prolly just buy a new one . Was hoping I wasn't gonna have to pull all this apart but I still don't see what's making this tire  lean so . Just checked those 4 nuts Dr allis . They're tight . Thanks to both of you !
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  Just looked again at page 198 in Agco parts . Somebody put the shims on the wrong side of the washer . Can't believe 3 .005 shims are causing my leaning tire problem ? Thanks !!

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The shims are to set the preload of the tapered roller bearings. It is a must to have them correct. To tight will cause premature failure. Too loose will do the same. I would guess your bearings have been too loose as the movement of wheel and scored washer.If replacing the cups, they must be bottomed against the stop surface. When not done correctly, you can't set preload correctly. Then after a while of use and running, the bearings will be loose, and little to no tension on bolt and washer. This is how they get loose. HTH Tracy
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Thanks Tracy . I expected to see something loose or obviously bad , but so far it looks pretty good . I'll look at it some more today . Thanks again !
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Made up a crude dial indicator . When I turn the axle flange it's about an 1/8" off . Guess I'm gonna have to pull this final drive apart . Any thoughts or advice ? Thanks !
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1st make a couple COPIES of the 'exploded diagram'.. best to get them oily than the real book......
2nd take a few pictures..for reference....just in case

I'm thinking some bearing ain't still in one piece......BTDT...

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