New Super Series Gleaner combine

I'm sorry, but I can't help but notice RED where ORANGE used to be on the Gleaner Combines. I saw one of those new Hesston bailers painted Red with AGCO on the side of it earlier this week...I felt like I was going to be sick.

Wow, quite a machine.  11 ton grain bin capacity, wow!

That looks like a sweet rig Andrew.  What does "Tritura" mean?  I'm referring to whatever that word is right above and ahead of the unloading auger....I like the old Gleaner logo on the cab too, thats cool, old meets new.  I like the paint scheme, it looks fresh.  As much as I hate to see the orange fading from AGCO on the Gleaner machine, one must recall that AC bought the brand at one time and put their touches on it too.  I am glad to see that AGCO had the good sense to keep the brand alive and improve on it yet again.  I switched to a red rotor machine this year but will certainly entertain a silver rotor next go-round!  (the red one was cheap)  :)

Andy, what makes it different internally,then the 76? I see it has more concave area,Is it mostly hp? Is there any real drastic changes to the guts of the combine?

                                                       IG

398 hp out of the small bock. I sure hope they havent brought out another N6. Wander why they didnt put the 7 cylinder in it? I still dont understand why they didnt redesign the outside of the combine to make it look more modern. I hope it eates up everything

                                               IG

The 398 HP is a bulge at 1950RPM it is rated at 370HP at 2100RPM. I dont think this engine will have any problem, we have noticed them in tractors to be very strong. I agree with Andy that they have made the changes to make this a different machine.  I had the chance to talk with a couple of the dealers who first hand have seen this combine in the field and they told me it was  a beast.  These are actual dealers on one on one with no company people around Honest opinions.

I imagine the larger diameter gains them more concave distance/length from front to rear which helps with more % of seperation at the beginning instead of depending on the cage to do more %. I run 320 rpm in a lot of corn with a 25 inch diameter rotor......a 30 inch diameter rotor will need to run at 267 rpm to have equal peripheral speed (2093 FPM) which is fine and will work OK. With wider spaced rasp bar teeth and hi-wire concaves I don't ever seem to have issues with grain damage in corn/soybeans. I know what I'd like to see in the new processor....a "round-bar" concave like the Lexion has as an option. More whole cobs and less plugging with leaves and even less kernal damage....round bars....like an old corn sheller has, only closer together.

THe combine I took photos of was a canadian special.  It did not have a variable speed for the header drive and it had reverse bars along with some filler sections on the cage.   


As was said earlier about the capacity.  THe rotor is bigger.  along with the concaves bigger.  From 4300 some odd inches to 6045.  The engine has been used at this horsepower in the tractors actually. The dt275b they have been running very well.  I tried getting some photos of the fan I could not get them to turn out clean under neath.  It is alot bigger.  THe angle of the blades has changed also the way it looks.  The Accelerator rollers are spinning faster to help also with more product.  They are bigger diameter. THey were showing some very impressive video of the combine in multiple crops harvesting at really fast rates. It seems to be feeding very well!  As Dale said the people that have seen the combine in action have no complaints!  I am looking forward to getting one in the field!

Andrew

I agree with you Kcgrain on the larger diameter rotor. I'm almost positive around the time the cdf rotor came out, Agco claimed that they were maxed out in capacity and increasing the diameter would do nothing, this was less than 10 yrs ago.   you guys need to go to combineforum.com   usually more gleaner info on there.     hard to tell from pics but i sure hope they increased the door size near the concave,  as this should have been done 20 yrs ago.

 I am with you Byron. Its a matter of time. The AGCO people are a bunch of liars. This combine is no more talked about then the: Long live the family farm was just a couple of years ago. I have quit worrying about what they are gong to do. I am switching to another color on everything we have as the time comes.  I never thought I would see the day this farm  didnt have orange and silver. But the working tractors are all a different color other then a 9745 that we use a little. If I could give the A85 to a Deere dealer I would,but cant even get anyone to trade for it.  This new S7 now has bigger internal parts, that they sayed  a few years ago wasnt possible,now they do it(they were lying then ,or there lying now). So I get the A85 which isnt that bad of combine,but you can see that isnt going to exist now.(they cant sell masseys to gleaner guys).  How many people would buy a new  chevy with a duramax in a 92 body with the price of all of the 2011? Not very many.  They need to add new customers,at the same time keep the old ones,not run off the existing ones they have now.

Edited by ILGLEANER - 13 Aug 2010 at 10:46am

Thanks for the info Andrew !  Even though I and most of the viewers of this page don't need or can't afford a new Gleaner, we still enjoy hearing about them.  Do you know if a new model will be offered by Ertl or someone else ?   That would be what I am interested in and will be purchasing.  Thanks !

ILGLEANER how are you liking your green tractors? Do you like them better than the AGCOs you had or do all these new tractors pretty well have all the same stuff in them? You could do like some guys near here that were big time White people that had to buy a new AGCO do to no more White and had  it painted the White colors so it would fit in on their farm...lol, just kidding thats a little drastic thing to do to a brand new tractor but they did it.  

Andrew, I appreciate the photos and your dedication to your job  at the dealership and the agco co, and my reply about the new and improved combine is not pointed towards you, but you have to realize when some one like me has to spend close to a 1/4 of a million on a new combine and heads we are not going to take the topic lightly. This is real money, real work that has to pay for it and as I get older I get more and more fed up with marketing genies that know nothing about a combine, never ran one never set one never PAID for one filling everybodys head with there new and improved. I appreciate the fact that that is the combine your dealership has to sell, but unfortunatly it is not the combine I have to buy. If Agco was so determined to really make this a new and improved version of the transverse rotor, they would have clean paged the design, much like Deere had with the 9000 series, NH did with the CR series. A rebadged N7 with a new engine and cab isnt new and improved. Rotors no matter whose, love HP and lots of it, the capacity of the machine is more dependant on the HP and the cleaning area than the actual threshing area, the original N7 had 270 hp but anyone that ever had one knows the power of an AC 516 was well over 300 with the p pump intercooler etc the way it was set up for that combine. Now almost 40 yrs later we have a new and improved N7 body with a 385 hp engine and a bigger tank, woopie.Marketing wanted more threshing area for the literature, so we give it a new larger rotor, the numbers are bigger so its improved. Is this any different the the constant battle between Ford Chevy and Dodge on who has the larger Diesel? Its pathetic to me that these company people really think that buyers of there products are so dumb that because chevrolet has 5hp more than a ford or 75# more payload capacity that we will buy it, and this mentality has flowed into the tractor and combine markets, if you had a gleaner and you believe agco is going to remain building a real gleaner that you will buy this new N7, and if your already switched to another brand like we have than this new N7 will mean nothing, and a bunch of great reviews at the intro means nothing either. When New Holland brought out the gemini series of tractors they had a focus group and the group told NH and its engineers that they wanted a 2 door cab, so NH has 2 doors, less than a year later CaseIH retooled the Maxxum, and took away the 2 doors, when I went to the intro of the new MX series tractors at the Case Plant in Racine you have to listen to the 1/2 hour speel on the new tractors before they take you to the plant, the "new" maxxum was in the lobby and the bus load from our dealership was getting the companys marketing blast about how great of a tractor this machine was, when they went to a Q&A session the very first question asked was why did Case take away the 2 doors, the farmers in this area really liked the 2 door cab, Cases reply was that there focus groups the famers surveyed didnt want 2 doors they only wanted one so Case took it away, I told the company guy that that was a funny answer because NH just brought out the Gemini and there farmers wanted 2 doors, so why dont you just tell us the truth that as a cost savings you elimented the second door, instead of BS about focus groups, Q&A stopped with no reply and we went to the plant, just to have the same company man give us the tour of the plant and the new MX line of tractors, when we came to cab assembly the comapny rep was telling us about this new process CaseIH had invented to bond the glass to the cab, no more rubber seals to leak over time and this new process tooks years of development and was state of the art in tractor manufacturing, I laughed and told the group a new process that Allis Chalmers had pioneered in 1982 with the intro of the 8000 almost 20 years prior, the Case guy was POed big time and another dealer that was with us said well AC was always 20 yrs ahead of everyone, needless to say the company guy was done with his BS about what Case IH had done. My point here is these companies always fill ya full of a bunch of BS about these so called new products, and I hope I am wrong , I hope the super 7 is a killer and keeps the Gleaner name alive, as a lasting legacy to Allis Chalmers inovation, but I am afraid my hunch is correct.

sorry Horsepower is RARELY the limiting factor in our area, not really the limiting factor..  unless of course you dont have enough to carry a full box!!!

Well, as morton(pa) origionally said you notice that the red decals have replaced the orange ones that have been there since Allis-Chalmers owned Gleaner. I hate to ask a question in an answer but I noticed that the word AGCO is no where to be found on the machine. Did they just do away with the AGCO line of tractors or are they eventually going to get rid of the AGCO name completely?