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went out to the shed the other day, tried to start the 180D after sitting all winter...fired right off! WooHoo! then went out yesterday to use it, and it would barley turn over and did not start....PffffT! cleaned all the terminals on battery and starter, checked over the cables, put the charger on a bit...nope, won't start. o-k...took the battery out, shows free replacement within 12 months time. this one is 13 months old. went to where I bought it, they tested it, and told me the battery is fine! uh...no...it isn't. told them I wanted to trade this one in for a new one and they did trade me, cost me about $47. for a $99. battery. took it home, topped it off with the charger and put it in, the tractor popped right off running! WooHoo again!
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That's why I no longer buy the lead acid battery's. As they go bad I replace with AGM's. I have never had a AGM go bad yet and the oldest one is 20 years old and works like new yet.
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dennis, what the heck is a AGM batt. ????  thanks keith
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Originally posted by tractorboy tractorboy wrote:

dennis, what the heck is a AGM batt. ????  thanks keith


This is what I've been using in everything I own. When the lead battery goes in goes the AGM. They cost a bit more up front but you save money over the long haul.
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DennisA, your pic and Gatz's link look like totally different batteries?? Perhaps they are the same though.
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

DennisA, your pic and Gatz's link look like totally different batteries?? Perhaps they are the same though.


Just different brands. The optima's have a look all their own.
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I see they are only guaranteed for a year if they live up to their hype you'd think they'd be
something like 5 or 6 year 100% replacement.Walmart and Sams Clubs offers 3 year 100%
replacement.The batteries in my F550 diesel are almost 9 years old still going strong came from Sams Club.
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Optima is okay. I've heard they're made in Mexico now. Bummer. If you want a really good AGM, get an Odyssey.

https://www.odysseybattery.com

Tractors would be considered as industrial use. Don't confuse industrial use with normal car starting use.

I have two Odysseys. Free shipping from batterymart.com in Virginia.

Advantages of AGM:

1. They are ground shippable. (I think I heard the FEDEX man cussing under his breath, though.)

2. They are rugged. There are sheets of electrolyte-impregnated fiberglass between the plates. Shorted cells are a thing of the past.

3. They are more powerful for their size, compared to standard lead acid batteries.

4. They can sit idle for a year and not lose any significant charge. (Personally I'd throw a charger on the battery every few months if sitting over the winter.)

5. They charge faster than conventional lead acid batteries.






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Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

I see they are only guaranteed for a year if they live up to their hype you'd think they'd be
something like 5 or 6 year 100% replacement.Walmart and Sams Clubs offers 3 year 100%
replacement.The batteries in my F550 diesel are almost 9 years old still going strong came from Sams Club.


Batteries are a funny thing. I have one lead battery that's 13 years old which is not the norm. Most the batteries last 3-5 years or one month after warranty, LOL.
Just replaced both batteries in my F-350 in March. The batteries where new when I purchased the truck 3 years ago. They have a 5yr warranty. Below is a picture of them. If you want them please come and get them, no charge.
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thanks Dennis, I may try a few of them, like said, could be cheaper in the long run if used in applications where they sit over winter time.
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I think the "ever start" batteries are made in India.
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May have to try the AGM batteries. I have been replacing the battery in my wife's and granddaughter's Escapes and in my '13 F150 at close to the 5 year mark whether bad or not and the old batteries find a home in a tractor. I found a place to buy batteries where they adjust the price according to the length of warranty you get and have saved a good bit of money, so far I have not gotten a bad battery.
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Originally posted by Hubert (Ga)engine7 Hubert (Ga)engine7 wrote:

May have to try the AGM batteries. I have been replacing the battery in my wife's and granddaughter's Escapes and in my '13 F150 at close to the 5 year mark whether bad or not and the old batteries find a home in a tractor. I found a place to buy batteries where they adjust the price according to the length of warranty you get and have saved a good bit of money, so far I have not gotten a bad battery.

I just changed the battery in an Escape. It's a real bear to change and Ford puts a small battery in that car in the first place. I'll give you some tips on how to change the battery more easily, as well as install an oversized AGM battery. The OEM Ford battery has an inadequate reserve capacity, it's an awkward size and it only has 550 CCA. 550 is fine when new, but after two years it just doesn't cut it here where I dealt with several days when the thermometer was trying to hit -30. Send me a note when you're about to do the deed.

BTW, due to the odd battery size, you won't find an Optima that will fit in an Escape.




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AGM for me too. I don't waste money on Optima's anymore, the quality has declined since they first came out 25 years ago. Mostly Dekas for me.
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Originally posted by exSW exSW wrote:

AGM for me too. I don't waste money on Optima's anymore, the quality has declined since they first came out 25 years ago. Mostly Dekas for me.

The problem with Optima is they were bought out by Johnson Controls and production was shifted to Mexico. From what I've heard the quality is hit and miss. Interstate Battery also gets some of their batteries from Mexico. The quality is hit and miss there too. Some Interstates are excellent, some not so much. I've heard good things about Dekas. I prefer Odysseys because I know they are American made.
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Bought a Everstart battery at Wally world a few weeks ago . It was made in Mexico . Hope it lasts a few years. Thanks
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

thanks Dennis, I may try a few of them, like said, could be cheaper in the long run if used in applications where they sit over winter time.

Be careful, once you get a AGM you'll never go back to the acid batteries.
The only tractor that hasn't made the switch yet is the 7045. Not sure how old they are as they came with the tractor 3 years ago It has the cheap Farm & Fleet 2yr warranty batteries that keep holding on. My uncle keeps replacing the same batteries about every 2-1/2 - 3 years. Crazy how some batteries go so long and others just a short time.
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The problem with Optima is they were bought out by Johnson Controls and production was shifted to Mexico. From what I've heard the quality is hit and miss.[/QUOTE]
I hope your wrong because I have 11 in use right now. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by DougS DougS wrote:

Originally posted by exSW exSW wrote:

AGM for me too. I don't waste money on Optima's anymore, the quality has declined since they first came out 25 years ago. Mostly Dekas for me.

The problem with Optima is they were bought out by Johnson Controls and production was shifted to Mexico. From what I've heard the quality is hit and miss. Interstate Battery also gets some of their batteries from Mexico. The quality is hit and miss there too. Some Interstates are excellent, some not so much. I've heard good things about Dekas. I prefer Odysseys because I know they are American made.


Exactly. I guarantee Interstate has different"grades" of batteries. To much extreme opinion on them good and bad. I've had excellent luck with Dekas. So far. I'll definitely look into Odyssey's.
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I looked up how much my uncle has spent replacing the batteries in the loader tractor. In the past 15yrs he spent $1200.00 for the Farm & Fleet commercial grade.
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It's been nearly 20 years ago that I toured the large Interstate battery plant eat side of Denver for a compressed air survey. Crawled all over the place as they were looking to buy bigger compressors and change/add to the air piping. Entered the warehouse and just the pallet racks for sticker stock was huge. Advised they made car/truck/off-road batts for over a dozen company names, just added the required branding decals.
Fella advised there was only a handfull of manufacturers left in the US, all "name labeling" for multiple companies under contracts.
I have had good luck with Continentals for tractors over the years, supposed to have a better stronger plating support system that lasts longer.
Have picked a few up from Wally World also but Continentals seem to be the only brand that can be "refreshed" after 6 or 7 years.
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In my former life, there was an Electric Race Car built by the students.  After 2 years, they wanted new batteries.  I got one of those Optimas free, this is like....22 years ago.  It sat on my concrete floor in the garage for at least 1 year and a half until I had a use for it.  Put it in my car and started right up, used it 4 more years! 
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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:

Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

thanks Dennis, I may try a few of them, like said, could be cheaper in the long run if used in applications where they sit over winter time.

Be careful, once you get a AGM you'll never go back to the acid batteries.
The only tractor that hasn't made the switch yet is the 7045. Not sure how old they are as they came with the tractor 3 years ago It has the cheap Farm & Fleet 2yr warranty batteries that keep holding on. My uncle keeps replacing the same batteries about every 2-1/2 - 3 years. Crazy how some batteries go so long and others just a short time.


A big variable in battery life is the condition of the charging system in whatever machine the battery is installed .
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Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

A big variable in battery life is the condition of the charging system in whatever machine the battery is installed .

This be true. Don't install an AGM battery unless you are running an alternator. AGM batteries deep cycle better than conventional lead acid batteries, but it doesn't do any battery any good to run it way down. We used some Trojan batteries where I worked and... kill them twice and they were dead for good.


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Originally posted by DougS DougS wrote:

Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

A big variable in battery life is the condition of the charging system in whatever machine the battery is installed .

This be true. Don't install an AGM battery unless you are running an alternator. AGM batteries deep cycle better than conventional lead acid batteries, but it doesn't do any battery any good to run it way down. We used some Trojan batteries where I worked and... kill them twice and they were dead for good.

A good charging system is needed. However I’ve had an AGM battery in my CA for 20yrs using the original 6 volt charging system which includes the generator. The only tractor I have that has an alternator is the 7045 and it hasn’t been switched to the AGM’s yet.
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DougS I just chamged one in an Escape and they don't give no wiggle room on the cable length! I got a 550 cca from Rural King and changed the neg around and got away from spending 125 on the one they reccomend
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I've had mixed results, with them, sometimes they will last 5-6 years, mostly about 3.  I only use in 1 machine, it's such a biotch to install thet one, I figgered that's the one that gets the good battery.  Mostly I buy 2 year old fleet return batteries, 2 years old fer $50.  Run a tester on them, and write the date, and the cca's, when I bought them, on the battery.  I have a sort of battery hierarchy, runnin around truck gets a new good one, then I shuffle the older batteries, to the kubotas, and farm tractors, that don't need a lotta cca's, anyway to start...Wink
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

DougS I just chamged one in an Escape and they don't give no wiggle room on the cable length! I got a 550 cca from Rural King and changed the neg around and got away from spending 125 on the one they reccomend

I don’t know what model year you had, but for 2013+ the negative cable sits in a notch. You have to pull the cable out of that notch. There’s another wire that runs along-side the ground cable. Be sure that neither gets snagged as you pull the battery out. This assumes you are pulling the airbox out and removing the front of the battery box. To me this method is easier than removing the wipers and cowling. In either case, it’s not worth it to pull your hair and change that battery every couple of years. Hint: Order a rear battery spacer and hold down clamp for a 2017 Escape with auto start/stop. With that you can install a Group 48 AGM and hopefully make battery changes a thing of the past. The two parts together cost about $15.
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For my tractors I went to Tractor supply only because of price. They carry Exide batteries of which I have had good luck with. 2 for my 190XT, my lawn tractors as well. Getting 5 years on them so far. Gel batteries are nice but dang I cant afford them. I had a Deka go 7 years in a lawn mower! I always used Deka before but I cannot find them locally anymore. They were great batteries and I would still be using them if I could get them.
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