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How do I remove the radiator/water pump?

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    Posted: 13 Jul 2010 at 8:11pm
Here is a close up of what I'm referring to as the "seam" between the upper and lower sections of the hood/shell. You can see where I tried to bend it to see if it was welded or not. I'll add more pics in my next post. 
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I'm having a tough time uploading pics... so please be patient with me. The pic is strecthed but I think you can once again see the area I'm having a rough time with...
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Another close up... this time from the right side.
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It appears that somewhere along the line, someone spot welded the nose cone to the bar. Originally, the nose cone was held inplace with 3/8" bolts near the bottom, into the side rails and to the center bar for the hood sections.
You should be able to remove the nose cone/radiator as an assembly. Remove the center side panel support bar (two 3/8" bolts front above the radiator hose and two 3/8" bolts just in front of the tank. After the support is removed, remove the upper and lower radiator hoses, the fill tube in front of the radiator, and the two 1/2" bolts holding the radiator to the front casting.
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Isn't the loader frames on each side pinching the radiator shell tight against the front steering box.   Looks like a D17?   I think the radiator shell goes all the way down on each side and then wraps around.   That hole thing is one piece from the bottom to the top and will only come off in one piece.  Might have to take the loader off to get it all apart to get at the water pump and radiator. 

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Chuck,
I'm afraid you are right. It looks like this piece is pinched in between the frame/loader arms, exactly as you describe.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm not a complete idiot... close, but not a full blown idiot... and I have limited mechanic skill/knowledge and not the tools that are probably required/needed. If taking the loader arms off, so that I can get this hood thing removed, is best performed by a REAL mechanic, please say so... I'd rather spend a few hundered bucks than create an even bigger headache.
I HAVE to get this running ASAP... and I'm leaning towards taking a pair of tin snips to it... but if anyone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.
 
Again, thank you for your help.
 
Paul
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Good eye Chuck. I agree, the front of the loader should be removed, as well as the 3/8" bolts holding the bottom of the nose cowl to the frame rails (noy visible in the photos, but should be located just behind the front loader mounting pads.
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Are you saying that the "bar" is that piece of metal (looks like a 2 or 3" bracket)? Why in the world would somebody weld it this way? It does not look like some average Joe welded it... if you look at it from inside the schroud, there's nothing that indicates it was welded... or at least not that I can tell. However, when trying to pry the thing apart, I realized that it's certainly not rusted together, or "bonded" in some way. Why would they weld this piece? Did AC do this? Are most D17 (gas) this way?
The radiator looks like it has NEVER been replaced... is it possible this is the same radiator that it shipped with? If so, that's freaking amazing and a real testament to AC... but yet again, it's a foolish way of assembling it... in my opinion.
 
Thanks for taking the time to repond... you guys are great!!!
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1 last thing; if you look under the loader arms/I beam frame (I'll have to send more pics) it looks like someone cut holes out of the I beam so that the loader arms could slide over them, and is secured by newer/bigger bolts. I'm starting to wonder if some hack welder guy got ahold of this thing.
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Is that a trip bucket loader on it?  Do you have a narrow front on it?   I would pull the loader arms and bucket off.  If it is the trip bucket style which I think it is from the looks of the loader frames, you can pop the pins that hold the rams on towards the front of the loader frame, and then pop the pins that hold the arms to the frame pieces on the back of the tractor.  If you have a narrow front, you can prop each arm up and back out.  If you have a wide front, you can park it under a tree or go in a barn or something and pull the frame up with rope or something and then back it out.  Then you can take each ram and pull straight up and bungee to the back of the frame.  Then you could loosen up the frame supports in the front and maybe loosen them a hair in the back and then drive a wood wedge inbetween the loader frame bracket and the tractor frame and that should give you the room to take the front end apart.   That way you won't lose all the hydraulic fluid from the rams and will make it a heck of alot easier to work on as you can bet right up to the front of the tractor.   Hope that helps. 
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Wow... you really know your stuff... I am impressed!
I must have the narrow nose because there are actually these brackets you can pull out to the side to seemingly support the arms. I didn't know what they were until I realized they were there to support the arms/bucket (when removing).
 
You're spot on... it's a trip bucket in that I pull a level that's connected to a cable/pulley to dump it. Not the most technologically advanced mechanism in the world, but it works...
 
Ok, I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow morning. I'll pull out the braces, loosen the loader arms bolts, and see if I can pull the hood/shell off... and then remove the radiator to get to the water pump.
That's alot of work to fix what's seemingly a minor problem... but it is what it is.
 
I may post a couple of pics detailing the cut out bolt holes that I mentioned earlier. I cannot imagine AC would have shipped it like that... so someone must have modified it.
Also, I will post a pic of where you would connect the top link (above the PTO)... it was evidently modified too because none of the standed CAT top links fit... I have to use a metal bar that was cut to fit. By not having an adjustable top link, I'm fairly limited in what implements will work.
I bought the tractor, 5 ft FORD shredder (which is ANOTHER problem in that it has a splined shaft (to the gear box) instead of smooth... and finging a splined yoke has been difficult as well), a belly  bucket (can't remember the technical name for it, a boom and box blade for $2500. I've had it for 3 years and have had NO problems with it... none!
I think I got a good deal... 
 
Thanks again... 
 
Thanks again for all the help...
Paul
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Paul - on the top link bracket.  Several vendors here sell them...go to this link and scroll down near the bottom for the D17 Series I, II, III pic on Tony Tractor's web site.  HTH.  Mike

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Coljus, I feel your pain. Someone cobbled up a FEL for my D14 - unlike most loader frames, parts of the frame are welded to the tractor frame! Removing it will be a major project. And when I worked on the ps pump, one hose attached between the radiator and the block, and getting a wrench on the coupling down there was a neat trick....good luck with your project.

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If you just need to change the water pump,you can change it without takin the radiator and shroud off,difficult job but not impossible.
Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow.
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Agree with BobH.  Changed the waterpump on my D15 II without removing the radiator. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fred in Pa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 9:53am
No one said aword about the by- pass being blocked off !Pump already has been  changed one time ,someone put a early pump on it with no outlet for by pass to Thermostat.If it has a thermostat in it best to hook up the by-paas to get water flowing to bottom of thermostat. .Get the pump with hole to install pipe  for by-pass !!!!!     Good luck . Loadors are nice but a pain when needing to work around them.
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Fred,
Thanks VERY much for your input. I'm not sure I follow you though... can you explain in lay terms?
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I'm just going to cut the damn piece off... it's already been a huge headache and I have to get this running by the weekend. I'm frustrated. I REALLY appreciate all of you for taking the time to provide thorough, considerate responses.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BobHnwO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 9:42am
Just take the 2 hood sides off and change the water pump,you can do it!!!
Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow.
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