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Mosin9130 
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 Topic: Allis in 5...10...20 Years?
Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:19am |
After reading victoryallis' post on "What Next after Allis", it got me thinking about the future of Allis tractors/equipment and keeping them maintained into the future. At present, I own 3 Allis tractors (WD45 gas-D17 IV gas-200 diesel) and I am of course wanting to add to that collection...a 220 for sure as well as an 8000 series are on the short list!  HOWEVER, what will parts and such look like in the next 5, 10, 20+ years??? Are our tractors that we take a lot of pride in going to be used more for parades in 20 years or will we still be able to use them for cutting/baling hay (what I intend to do)? This has always been in the back of my mind so I thought I would get it out there...thoughts?
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Dek Thorne
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 12:00pm |
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I'm always gonna use mine because that's what a think a tractor should be doing.
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DennisA (IL)
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:36pm |
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I plan on using mine for the next 40 years.
The key is to keep the equipment well maintained. The common wear parts are available. The ones that are not I'll get from donors. It's also important to support your nearest dealer. If there is a demand for the parts AGCO will keep supplying them.
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Thanks & God Bless
Dennis
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JimD
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:51pm |
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Yep, when demand slows all those newcommer ebay dealers will be long gone selling something else.
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Ray54
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:13pm |
Depends, are you lucky????????????
SHAMELESS DUDE STOP READING 
I needed a different loader tractor and a neighbor had JD 1250 sitting. Us it see if it dose what you want $5000 if you like it. After a several months,I better keep this thing. Now better than 5 could be almost 10 years and less than a 1000 hours of us the 3 pt lift is weak and can tell oil is getting hot. I know it was the Japaneses built not the German,but Deere put there name o it and the 50 series is not that old,but pump NLA.
So how do you expect AGCO that wants to forget there ever was a AC  company to supply parts?
Since I know you read it anyway  Dude,a poor man has to do with what is at hand no matter what color it is,so long as it is cheap. Please no pink on my tractor. I don't want the rainbow fellas thinking I is one with them. SO PLEASE Cause the loving, and wonderful wife say the "that kind a women" already got a thing for me. Please.
But the flip side to this technology just keeps flying ahead. Local ag  and engineering  university was just given a 3 D printer that makes things from metal it melts rather than just plastic. So maybe in 20 years it will be common to make old parts one at a time with this process.
So as I started are you lucky ??????????????? You buy a "old" tractor you have to be lucky that there was never a operator that was the "guy could break a anvil with a rubber hammer" sat on the seat. Cause it will still cost a lot even if the parts at are all down at the dealers shelf.
But my observation is they last longer if you us it carefully than just park it brand new in the shed and never start it. So keep on farming with the old AC tractors till you cannot. Beside the Snowflake may take them all away to save themselves from us.
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Daehler
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 4:09pm |
 DennisA (IL) wrote:
I plan on using mine for the next 40 years.
The key is to keep the equipment well maintained. The common wear parts are available. The ones that are not I'll get from donors. It's also important to support your nearest dealer. If there is a demand for the parts AGCO will keep supplying them. |
200% right on the money! Supporting a dealer is key even if parts cost more, so is demand.
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"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!"
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DiyDave
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 6:06pm |
If the cubans can keep 1957 American cars alive, with no parts source, we damn sure can keep AC tractors running... 
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Tim NH
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:39pm |
This last Tuesday I ordered a fan blower switch from Brenda at Sandy Lake. I asked if it would be a close match. She said it would be original equipment. As you can see, there are still even NOS parts available. Tim 
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AC720Man
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:09pm |
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Does anyone ever wonder where Brenda stashes all her parts? She rarely has to order parts for me....she says I just so happen to have one of those in stock. I swear she is magical....My 720 restore was just as impressive, I have one of those in stock. She is amazing.
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CrestonM
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:27pm |
Where did Sandy Lake even get all those parts??? Did Deutz secretly sell every last part to them?? It seems Brenda can get anything! Even parts for old All-Crops!
I've also wondered often what parts availability will be like in 20 years or so. Popular tractors like the Allis W-series, Ford N-series, Deere A, Farmall M, etc. will never diminish (Especially the Deeres). There were just so many thousands made and they've all found great favor with farmers and collectors.
A little side story....I was seriously considering buying a MM ZAU at an auction back this last spring, and it seemed decent (but didn't run...had good compression though!), but before I buy a tractor I always browse around for parts availability. I barely found anything for them, other than universal things like switches, bearings, etc. No overhaul kits to be found. Virtually no parts supply whatsoever. I talked to several MM collectors, and they said they just use used engine parts from a "less-worn" tractor when doing rebuilds. I decided that route wasn't for me, so I passed on it even though it only brought $200. If I'm going to have a tractor, I want one I can easily get parts for.
I'm more concerned about the later Allis's like the 7000 and 8000 series. Sure, right now you can still get most parts from Agco and other sources, because thousands of farms are still able to use them due to their size and power. But...will those tractors really be considered "collector items" in 20 or 30 years? Unless you have deep pockets, I'd think not. They're a lot harder to haul around for the average antique tractor collector, plus while they are still simple to work on compared to new tractors, they require more "know-how" to fix than your old WC. For the short term I'm not worried a bit, but the long term worries me.
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Racsan
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:40pm |
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Theyve got a pretty sizable following, i just got a C to mow with and was surprized how many could be found on craigslist. With enough money, no part is ever really obsolete. Though i do hate the china crap- straight from the land of "almost right".
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