1948 "C" wide front

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   I am new to AC and am presently looking at a "C" that has a wide front end. I have not found much info on these and question if it is a mislabeled "B" or if it is truley a "C". I have been told that this tractor has a mag and it doesn't work. Can anyone tell me how hard this is to fix. Thanks
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orange man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote orange man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 1948 "C" wide front Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 8:51am
	I am new to AC and am presently looking at a "C" that has a wide front end. I have not found much info on these and question if it is a mislabeled "B" or if it is truley a "C". I have been told that this tractor has a mag and it doesn't work. Can anyone tell me how hard this is to fix. Thanks

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Jacob (WI,ND) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jacob (WI,ND) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 9:09am
	Hi, Identifing what you have is relatively easy once a few things are known. The easyest way would be to post a couple of pics of the tractor here, you'll get all the info you could need. But a good discription is next best. What does the wide front look like? If it is a "wishbone" front like a B then at least the front is a B. C's did not come with wishbone front ends. The C wide fronts had a tubular front. Also look for the tractor number next to the shifter handle, it should be C followed by a series of numbers if its a C. BXXX if a B, etc... You can referance the numbers here: http://www.allischalmers.com/serials.html As well as many other places on the web, and in books, to find out what year tractor you have. Bryans website: http://people.clemson.edu/~wsmth/index.htm Is good for referancing serial numbers, locations of serial numbers, engine numbers, engine block numbers, etc... it's worth a look around once you know what to look for, its easy to find the year the tractor was made. As for mags, I'm no expert, but there are many others here that are. Fixing them is usually relatively easy, sometimes it's just a matter of claning the points, etc... I wouldn't let a non working mag be a deciding factor on purchasing the tractor, but you can use it to deal on the price some... Good luck, I have two C's now, and I can say they are fun little tractors. Any other questions, just ask!
	Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45

Jacob (WI,ND) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jacob (WI,ND) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 9:33am
	Here is a pic of a B wishbone front end (on right, that's a IB on the left): Now I also need to mention that the late B's could come with adjustable wide front ends like this: The C wide fronts looked about the same. So the eastest way to ID is to get the tractor number from the shift handle. (that is assuming it is not a hodge-podge of B and C parts, which is very possible, since most of the B, C, CA parts are interchangable, though not nessesarily correct.) Also look at the final drives. If they are narrow, its a B. If wide, it's a C. And just FYI, if they really dont know what they have, it MAY also be a CA, which can be easily ID'd by its four forward speed tranny and spinout rear rims. Here is a pic of a wide front CA: Hope this helps some, again, just ask questions if I confused you. And as a PS, I just stold these pics from the web, they arnt mine (although some of these are from members here. Pic stold from here:) http://www.tonystractors.com/allis_chalmers.htm
	Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45

Thad in AR. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9455	Post Options Post Reply Quote Thad in AR. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 3:38pm
	just to add to Jacobs info the bottom pic he showed is exactly what a c wide front and steering would look like also the rear wheels would be 5 bolt with dish shaped centers. Most B's had a big nut in the center holding the center to the axle.

EdK Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Newcastle, CA Points: 223	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdK Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 6:41pm
	Here's a picture of a wide fron 1948C. The seat is not original. The magneto ignition has been replaced by a distrbutor ignition. The rear wheels are bolt on replacements for the "fall-off" original types. Other than some other non original parts your 1948C should look similar.

CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 6:51pm
	The rear wheels are bolt on replacements for the "fall-off" original types. These rims don't fall off if properly maintained. It's kinda like the guy that grinds it into 3rd every time and complains about the bad design of the transmission. JMHO
	http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF

David Gantt N.C. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: North Carolina Points: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote David Gantt N.C. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 7:12pm
	Welcome, they are great little tractors, if its a true wide front C I would jump on it

RichinWis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deforest Wis Points: 691	Post Options Post Reply Quote RichinWis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 8:25pm
	In case you were not aware------a C wide front is not exactly the same as a CA wide front. There are some major differences parked side by side.

GBACBFan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Green Bay WI Points: 2662	Post Options Post Reply Quote GBACBFan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 8:47pm
	Charlie, you're probably correct, but the eccentrics on the B and C rear rims was not one of A-C's better ideas. The loop rims are easier to use, and SAFER by a long shot. Unless your doing a pure restoration, EdK is on the right track.
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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81110	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 9:32pm
	DIfferences in a B and C----------- The B is about 5 feet wide outside to outside the rear tires. The gear box below the gas tank has an arm that points straight down. It has a ball socke on the end of the amr. The steering rod goes to the left front wheek king pin and sets over another ball socket. The wide front can be wish bone, or tube type. There was not a narrow front end. --THe C is about 6 feet wided outside to outside the rear tires. THE steering box below the gas tank has an arm that points upward. The steering rod attaches to the arm with a ball joint like used on a car steering arm. The steering rod goes to a second gear box arm under the gas tank. The radiator wraparound is notched for this second arm. The steering on the C is done thru this second gear box under the gas tank thru a set of bevel gears. Most C tractors were narrow front end, but some had the wide box front end. Wishbone axles were NOT standard on the C.
	Like them all, but love the "B"s.

Eldon (WA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Points: 7765	Post Options Post Reply Quote Eldon (WA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 9:39pm
	Wide front C's are much more common out here in the mountain areas....I have seen a lot more of them than the narrow fronts....