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fixer1958 
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:01am |
Need to get some new ones. Looked on Home Depot and Lowes and there is only about 500 to choose from. Need one turbo flush for the downstairs and 2 other normal ones. Anyone have any insight into brands that are decent? Don't want to get crazy on price. $150 or there abouts. Wife wanted me to check them out beings it's black Friday but there is too many.
Suggestions?
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Pat the Plumber CIL
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:18am |
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American Standard Cadet Pro . Taller Elongated model best flusher on the market .Cannot get this exact model at Lowe's ,Menards , or Home Depot.. They do sell American Standard toilets but the numbers dont match. Plumbers don't want people to be able to go to the big box stores and compare prices. So big companies make a product line they only sell to pros .If you cannot find a wholesale house in your area to sell you one go Lowe's and find an American Standard tall elongated that uses 1.6 gallons per flush. Most now are 1.28 gpf so be careful. Will still be a good flushing toilet. Be prepared to spend more than 150. Not buying this for a couple weeks. Good toilet should last 30 years
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Pat the Plumber CIL
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:21am |
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Oh ,, if you buy a toilet in a box with everything you need in it . Buy a different seat. The cheap ones that come in the box with the toilet are worthless, just like the toilet bolts an wax seal that comes with it . They are trying to make that kit as cheap as they can.
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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:22am |
OK, get all 3 the same....or at least measure the floor to azz height and be 100% SURE they are all the same distance !!! It's a REAL PITA when 2 toilets are NOT the same height. Those 2 stage toilets, the norm these dayze, are ,well, krappy....2 HD units here,yes the same, do NOT clean the side wall of the bowl, so buy new brushes while you're there. lo flow 'water saver' models all need 2-3 flushes to do the job.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:36am |
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Ditto what Pat the plumber said, about everything from the toilet, to an up-graded seat and wax ring. Have one at home, and works great. At a motel right now with a cheap, low to the floor one that really stinks! Pun intended. Currently, it's plugged up. Darrel
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fixer1958
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:37am |
Been looking online and 150 ain't going to get it. Going to have to be a regular height and no chair height and 12" rough in.
Shetland people live here.
My youngest son has been digging for a local plumber. Have to have him check with him and see what supplier he goes through. Never thought of that till you brought that up Pat. Won't be doing anything till the snow starts flying and cold after the first of the year.
But if I have everything here I can do it then.
Gotta cut firewood now before Sunday before the predicted snow coming in. Feel like chit, flu or some crap. Gotta get it done anyway.
Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate it.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:41am |
We have a Jacuzzi and an American Standard. I agree with Jay on the height. they have 14.5 inch and 16.5 inch. Older / taller people may prefer the 16.5 inch height. Pat is right on the 1.6 gal high velocity units. Old toilets had a flapper valve about 2 inches in diameter inside the tank. New ones are about 4 inches. The VOLUMN and SPEED that the water moves into the bowl and down the drain in amazing. That American Standard will suck a basketball down the drain !  The old days of double flushes are gone with these new units. They have STAR ratings at most stores on each unit. Many will rate them by the VOLUMN of solids the remove in 1 flush... 8-9-10 are good. Get one with GOOD PERFORMANCE no matter what the brand.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:50am |
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I bought 3 Mansfield units - elongated bowl - one ADA for master bath - regular height on main bath .
I have a Mansfield I bought when i built the house in 1970, in basement bath. Has been no problem with any part even when wife had ceramic studio and 20 women using it on class days .
Like the Mansfield flush system where when lifting handle you can close the flush valve from emptying tank into bowl .
Son put in a American Standard with the 3" flush ballcock - replaced the operating arm about 3 times in 5 years and replaced the chain to it several times also as lifting the ballcock takes to much strain on arm .
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 8:59am |
I think I know what to look for now from your input and what I have looked into. Kinda reminds me of Al Bundy on Married With Children. He wanted some kind of Turbo flush toilet. When he flushed you could hear it down the block. I think he was trying to figure a way to get one installed in his recliner so he would never have to get up.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 9:41am |
If you have the old fashioned 3 gallon ones, your best bet is to rebuild them. It costs much less and you will have less problems with their operation. You need a new oring and bolts for between the pot and the tank, and a new valve, float and flapper for the tank. A new handle is optional!
If that is not an option, then get a new one that is completely assembled, seat, tank everything. I think Koeler is one brand that sells them. The last time I installed one I used a plastic accordian style ring instead of wax. It went together a lot easier than wax and I didn't have to buy two, like I always did with wax rings!
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 11:56am |
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I will only buy Kohler, had one of the American Standard ones that they claimed could flush like 100 golf balls, had to plunge the stupid thing all the time, never liked it.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 12:39pm |
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Pat, thanks for the advice on the toilets. I am glad we have a good "plumbing advisor" on the Forum. I don't need any right now but if I get around to improving some things at the farm house I am going to upgrade the toilets and I will keep your advice in mind.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 12:43pm |
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 12:51pm |
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When built our house bought American Standard Cadet 3 'Comfort Height', wife wishes we had bought ONE regular height but is OK with them. Had a aged relative visit, had some constipation issues where when went was like two days worth at once. Asked what kind of toilet as NEEDED one for their house as Did NOT stop up with the load he laid in it. We also have full 4" pvc drain piping in the house to 5" below grade so ALL flushes pretty easy.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 3:36pm |
 Dave in PA wrote:
I will only buy Kohler, had one of the American Standard ones that they claimed could flush like 100 golf balls, had to plunge the stupid thing all the time, never liked it. |
I know there are good and bad but i agree. The Kohler is king for me, but I havbe no idea on price comparison since i think the Kohlers are gonna outlive me.
He He it seems it is gonna be somebody else's stinking problem. 
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Pat the Plumber CIL
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 9:13pm |
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Kohler makes a good flushing toilet also and would be my second choice. 2 reasons; mounting bracket between tank and bowl can only be tightened so much and tank will move when leaned against, second Kohler toilets have to have specific Kohler replacement parts like flush valve seal and handle. Still a good flushing toilet. Several customers expect me to come back for free to tighten a tank that cannot be tightened without breaking it. If you need replacement parts nights , weekends or Holidays good luck. I know American Standard is made out of country but this is based on performance only. If American made is important buy a Kohler, you will still get a quality piece. Other than those 2 brands I would not waste my time.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 9:46pm |
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get the taller ones if buying new, some of the cheap ones is like sitting on the floor.When you get older you will appreciate the taller one.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2018 at 11:58pm |
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Im 62. The one I trained on is up the road at my daughters(where I grew up) and still going.Had a few replacement parts over the years but good as ever.Man that thing flushes for a while....LOL! So,the moral of the story is...don't skimp on price/quality for a crapper cause it will last for YEARS!!!!
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Posted: 24 Nov 2018 at 12:53am |
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I spose 5 gallon buckets are out of the question? wally world has seats that fit them!
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Posted: 24 Nov 2018 at 8:02am |
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Posted: 24 Nov 2018 at 8:29am |
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Seems Mansfield is one of the few that uses 3 mounting bots for the tank to the bowl fastening . I didn't realize that until installing the new ADA unit, I appreciate it now as old unit would have tank move when someone leaned back hard against tank .
Seems Mansfield has 3 grades they sell in kit form - unsure of the difference between them .
I do like the fact you can lift handle on the unit and shut off the flush .
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Posted: 24 Nov 2018 at 8:44am |
shameless dude wrote:
I spose 5 gallon buckets are out of the question? wally world has seats that fit them! |
I thought the 5 gallon bucket was the "new right height" dumpers
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Posted: 24 Nov 2018 at 12:50pm |
shameless dude wrote:
I spose 5 gallon buckets are out of the question? wally world has seats that fit them! |
I am waiting for the ol............................ loving wife's report on the commode being replaced with a 5 gallon bucket. 
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Posted: 24 Nov 2018 at 5:41pm |
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had a guy work for me while back, he could stop up a five gallon bucket, saw a toilet run from him once, glad he somebody else's problem now.
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Posted: 25 Nov 2018 at 7:30pm |
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Unless your old toilets are broken I will second the recommendation to just rebuild them. Or are they pink, harvest gold or avocado green?😜
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