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junkman 
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 Topic: To pull or not to pull
Posted: 01 May 2011 at 8:22pm |
what is you guys take on this? Finally got my 100 dollar plow home today even though I got wet, but wondered if the ol d17d would even attempt to pull this? after hooking it up I could see it looks   kind of big. It is 4 16s but thought I could take one off. All I have is sandy loam.
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R.W
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 8:24pm |
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Dad pulled 4-14 simi mounted with his d17d and he said it pulled right along nice in our sand.
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SHAMELESS
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 8:33pm |
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sand...is a great way to shine those shares up! i know...if i would plow my ground now, it will be like farming crushed rock all year!
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Auntwayne
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 8:44pm |
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Been pulling the 3bottom s/c since time began, really want to pull a 4 bottom, have WD 45 with frame chopped to accomodate a D-17 diesel.
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Farmer Roy
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 8:56pm |
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Your plow appears to be a 4 bottom frame, if it is you can't take a bottom off because you have no way to mount tail wheel assmbely correctly. I used to pull 4-16's and a plow packer with a series 4 in sandy ground with hills.
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junkman
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:02pm |
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I was if need be, cut it off with a torch, then weld the wheel back on. Not a reel big deal. but it would be easier to get a 3 bottom but wouldn't be cheaper.
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Tom K Ind.
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:02pm |
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Beleve it or not I pulled 4-14s semi mounted s/c with my wd45 in clay ground north of laporte,in. and it was a gas unit .
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:04pm |
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On my 4x18 2000 plow I was able to take the front bottom off and move the hitch over 18" to make it easier to pull.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:07pm |
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Ted Buisker has a you tube video of his WD45D pulling a 4-14 plow in some pretty good black dirt. I'll bet the 17 will pull it.
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:13pm |
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You should be okay with it in sandy loam. A friend pulled 4-16's in heavier dirt than that and he got along fine. If not in third low, then you have two gears in second. But I'm thinking you will use third!
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junkman
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:14pm |
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When it gets dry I will try it. If it does it I will post a clip. If not I'll do some modifying.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:20pm |
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Just my $0.02, but I think you are going to need some weight on that there powerhouse, or spinning is all you will get done. You will have plenty of power, but........
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acwdwcman
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:21pm |
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do it.
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wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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junkman
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:26pm |
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It does have the 18.4s on it which I thought might help me out traction wise. but yes pulling a plow in sandy soil is easier but as well the tractor spins easier in sand as well.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:31pm |
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I aint sayin don't try it :-), but if you have some weights, I would put them on. I don't know if the tires are ballasted, and I can't see the left rear, but it looks like right now, she has no extra weight on her, front or rear. We have sandy loam around our farm too, more loam than sand, but it bites good when solid, down in the furrow when a little moist, but on the top, it tears away easy.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:33pm |
Looks like you got your "new" power steering pump instaled, how is it working?
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junkman
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:43pm |
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The brackets need fine tuning and shorten some lines. But it is the reason I chose today to go get my plow. Sure wasn't going to drive the beast without it. and yes it works great.
Even setting still it dug some holes in the ground while testing. Now only time will tell the longevity. But the pump was centered and a collar put in place to hold in line plus I packed it with grease. I have a few pics of the fabrication if anyone is interested.
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Lonn
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:36pm |
I pull 4x14 fully mounted 70 series plow and D17 but it weighed up at 5,800# plus with fluid and then add two sets of rear wheel weights and one set of front wheel weights and five 90# suitcase weights out front. Your plow is cutting wider and is heavier so I would guess you need at least that much weight. But I was in heavy black dirt and clay and pulling a fully mounted plow.
You don't a factory 3 point either so you prabably can't use the traction booster so even worse off.
Edited by Lonn - 01 May 2011 at 11:41pm
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Eldon (WA)
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Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:51pm |
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I pulled my McCormick 4-16 trip plow with my D17 SIV diesel and loaded 16.9's fairly well about 8-10" deep. I'd think a semi-mt would pull a bit easier.
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