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LouSWPA 
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 2:24pm |
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please settle an argument for me:
point: those large water trucks working in the fracking industry, the tanks are baffled to keep the load (liquid, water, whatever) from shifting suddenly, like going around a turn
counterpoint: that's not always true. potable water tanks and milk trucks cannot be baffled because 'they' must be able to get in and clean them
which is right? note, the question is not whether the tanks require cleaning or not, that point has been conceded
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 2:33pm |
Not sure about milk trucks but semi tankers like for gas, diesel fuel are baffled. I would think all tanker trucks --milk fuel delivery liquid fert all have to be baffled. Trucks going around corners or trying to stop suddenly would be wrecking all the time. I was hauling fly ash from a coal fired power plant, this is the finest powder you ever saw. It flowed almost as much as water. I went around a corner from a full stop and the trailer flipped over and pulled my truck right on over too. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 5:24pm |
I don't think they go inside the tanks to wash them out.......
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 5:42pm |
Another YouTube on cleaning out Frac Tanks. [TUBE]DCnEgOfkA4k[/TUBE]
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 5:54pm |
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I drove milk truck for 20 years they don't have baffles in them so they can be clean.
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 6:09pm |
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the new tanks for trucks have small lids that they lower high pressure steam jets inside to do the cleaning now.
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 8:16pm |
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Haven't hauled liquid but I know milk and any tanker that may haul different liquids is not baffled. Fuel trucks have compartments as I'm sure others do as well. Hauling liquid takes a driver that knows what they are doing as do livestock haulers pulling loaded pots.
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 10:57pm |
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You get use to the movement of the milk moving around. After a while it like siting in a rocking chair. Until the roads turns to ice then gets real fun when you are pulling double tankers.
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Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 11:44pm |
I drove water trucks for several years in the 79's and 80's, all the trucks I drove did have baffles, usually two on a 16' long tank. The baffles had openings big enough to crawl through as we did have to get in the tanks occasionally both to weld cracks and to wash them out. Not a fun job any time of the year. We always tried to empty the truck completely if it was a mountain run as water sloshing around is not fun. I rolled one onto it's top once in the mountains, this truck had a hoist on it so we could raise it up on a steep driveway and empty the entire load. One of the hinges broke and as I went around a corner, at about 25 mph, the tank pulled me over, fortunately towards the mountain. I sat upside down hanging by my seatbelt, engine still running and radio playing. Turned off the engine, 366 Chevy, and figured out how to unhook my belt without falling on my head. Crawled out the window and walked to a house to call for help. We pulled the plugs after getting the truck back to the shop and cranked it over. Put the plugs back in, started it up and replaced the passenger side mirror, and back to work. The same truck got totaled a week later when it went off a steep driveway. I wasn't driving that day. A bad winter, that year!
It was an interesting job at times, I met Joe Walsh, Judy Collins and Steven Stills while making delivery's, not all at the same time.
Edited by JohnCO - 02 Sep 2019 at 11:46pm
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Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 8:48am |
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Some tanks are baffled, some are not. It depends on the design specification. However as you have asked specificly about the fracking haulers, all of the ones I see doing that are vaccuum tanks and are not baffled, the same type used for pumping out septic tanks. That being said, you MUST drive one of them accordingly.
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Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 10:53pm |
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All of my fuel trucks had separate tanks, water/ other liquid haulers, if they were above 800 gallons they had baffles. I never hauled milk.
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Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 11:26pm |
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Yup IV pulled both. A none baffled trailer will teach you how to drive smooth lol.
But that was calcium.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 6:48am |
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Drove a 38' Ex US Military tank semi hauling fuel in the 80s NO Baffles, on slick parking lots would slip back and forth for a LONG time. Most all are baffled these days except hazardous liquid tanks like Caustic and Acid where the crawling internally is NOT allowed nor suggested.
Milk and a great deal of water tanks on straight trucks are not baffled as not needed, already short where liquid cannot build up much inertia.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 7:23am |
 DMiller wrote:
Drove a 38' Ex US Military tank semi hauling fuel in the 80s NO Baffles, on slick parking lots would slip back and forth for a LONG time. Most all are baffled these days except hazardous liquid tanks like Caustic and Acid where the crawling internally is NOT allowed nor suggested.
Milk and a great deal of water tanks on straight trucks are not baffled as not needed, already short where liquid cannot build up much inertia. |
Short???  You should see the one milk truck around here!!! Definitely NOT short! Hahaha
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Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 8:07am |
Tbone95 wrote:
DMiller wrote:
Drove a 38' Ex US Military tank semi hauling fuel in the 80s NO Baffles, on slick parking lots would slip back and forth for a LONG time. Most all are baffled these days except hazardous liquid tanks like Caustic and Acid where the crawling internally is NOT allowed nor suggested.
Milk and a great deal of water tanks on straight trucks are not baffled as not needed, already short where liquid cannot build up much inertia. |
Short??? You should see the one milk truck around here!!! Definitely NOT short! Hahaha |
If a tanker of milk on a long haul isn't filled completely the milk will slouch back and fourth and make butter! 
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Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 8:25am |
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The double tanker milk truck I drove was 96 ft. long 300mi.+ a day I away said it should be butter but it wasn't.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 10:05pm |
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Doesn't milk need something added to it to make butter?
Around here all milk trucks are smooth bore. Baffles create nooks and corners that can't necessarily be cleaned and sterilized. Actually I believe any tank that hauls food grade product has to be smooth bore.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 7:28am |
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According to the drivers at Central Dairy the slosh won't make butter, has to be nothing but cream and then whipped in a churn, the pressing action of the old style or the agitator action of the newer is what causes the butter fats to congeal.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 6:51pm |
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well guys, I thank you all for the input......now, thanks to you guys, I gotta' go tell my bride of forty years she was right!
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Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 7:20pm |
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Lou, for what it’s worth I drove a water truck for the oil rigs and it did have baffles. You could climb over and under them to weld on the tank half a load was still a hand full.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 8:22pm |
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well, this whole discussion started after a local accident wherein a fracking water buffalo rolled over. Wife said something about the water sloshing around causing it. I said not likely because all those tankers are baffled. She says no their not, our driver (where she works) told us that many are not, especially potable water and milk trucks.
I must say that I am shocked that a tanker can be safely driven without baffles in the tank. It always scares the bejeepers out of me to see a cement mixer trucking along with the mixer turning!
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Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 10:22pm |
I used to build and repair tanker trucks and trailers. Some are baffled and some are not. The baffles minimize forward and back liquid movement but I've never seen any baffles for side to side liquid movement. Cornering too fast with a partial load will often result in a tank with one side flat!! 
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Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 10:41pm |
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I pulled a smooth bore tanker for a little while, hauling feed grade corn syrup to large feed lots. The trailer I pulled was a former asphalt oil trailer. The first time you do a quick stop at a stoplight with a load on catches your attention. When your on the brakes the load is at the front of the trailer. Once you get stopped, the load sloshes to the back, then comes back to the front and surges the truck forward. If you're not hard on the brakes, the truck rolls forward. In my opinion, Jake brakes are a must for smooth bore tanks.
Edited by truckerfarmer - 05 Sep 2019 at 10:42pm
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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 6:47am |
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Milk tankers as posted by others can't have baffles because of the ability to clean and sanitize. This makes for some scary driving especially on ice and snow! I drove a liquid truck for MDOT pre treating curves,bridge decks and intersections. Once in awhile I would go out and napalm build up that traffic rolled down and salt could not break up. Could get hairy driving as the tank did not have baffles and a half load could get to sloshing around.
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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 2:56pm |
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You should pull a bull rack or possum belly full of cows, you learn not to jam on the brakes
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Posted: 07 Sep 2019 at 2:03pm |
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Or drive a 12 yard Cement Mixer, load rolls UP on Left side with in Mix, rolls up on right when dump. Make a hairy Right turn with a full load can tip one fairly easily as three to five tons depending on drum speed is on the Side, park too close to the excavation site with the right side and can flip one into a foundation hole.
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