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there's some diappointed fanetti buyers today

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    Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 9:37pm
The guy in the video I saw was the farm manager I believe. Him and one of the nephews were polite and very helpful today. Would like to have visited with them more but they were busy and we were kind of pressed for time.
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Correct me if I am wrong. I didn't think that was one of.the receiving nephews, but another 3rd one.....
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Originally posted by tornado8070 tornado8070 wrote:

Are you happy with the tractor? I'm glad it turned out positive for you. It is very disheartening what happened with the sale but more all the speculation of what happened. Sad to see one mans hard work, and pride end up in such turmoil!
So far very happy with tractor- just don't quite what to make of all the controversy surrounding this deal. I guess I should just be proud to have a tractor from a guy who loved Allis as much as we do!
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Originally posted by tornado8070 tornado8070 wrote:

Are you happy with the tractor? I'm glad it turned out positive for you. It is very disheartening what happened with the sale but more all the speculation of what happened. Sad to see one mans hard work, and pride end up in such turmoil!
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I watched the sale very closely. I also viewed machinery Pete's video. To me....the interveiw of the nephew says it guys! He looked to have a guilty consience and on edge as he new how things would turn out with the sale....and looking prospective bidders in the eye.....that is when he made eye contact!
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Are you happy with the tractor? I'm glad it turned out positive for you. It is very disheartening what happened with the sale but more all the speculation of what happened. Sad to see one mans hard work, and pride end up in such turmoil!
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Just got home with my tractor. We are happy with the way everything went from start to finish.  Its kinda sad to read all the negative stuff on here, but I guess it is what it is. If she would have ended up keeping the tractor we got, oh well, its not the last one out there or the end of world. Forget it and move on. I don't post much on these sites because it seems like somebody always has to pee on my shoes on a otherwise fine day.
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Agreed, look at the plus side, anyone who went got to see a very nice collection and some tasty pork!
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Kcgrain, one of the better articulated opinions. I concur well said!
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Kcgrain,. Well said.
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 I hesitate to even post about this whole situation, but I am going to. I personally hate to see family drama played out for the masses to pick apart, and hate to see private information like the Fanetti Lawsuit made public on the internet. What has happened is really nobody's business but the Fanettis, including mine.  No one really has any idea what is going on here, but according to the court papers (yes I read them, i have no moral high ground here) Don Fenetti tried to take care of his wife, his 2 nephews, and his love of that farm and those Allis Chalmers tractors. The way I understand his wishes he started a partnership with the nephews of which they got 2/3 upon his death, and his wife got a 1/3, of which they were suppose to give her clear title to "other properties" for her third, and they would retain the farm, and machinery. The problem seems to arise from the nephews hiring an appraiser that undervalued the assets by 4 million dollars, and than adding a discount on top of that. So that's a 1.3 million dollar hosing to their aunt. That doesn't seem right to me. Next this has been going on for 6 years already, Don died in 2009, so the farm has been operating with her money for 6 years, it stated that the farming operation was making $300000 a year in profit, and every farmer here knows a farm can consume as much money as it takes in, and while I am sure the nephews didn't have the 300g laying there in cash to pay her, she was still entitled to some reward for the use of her capital , she could have used the money in other investments etc, technically speaking its hers to do as she wished with. Well 6 years at 100g a year that's another $600 grand they cheated her out of. Also it says assets were sold or missing, although I never knew the Fenettis, I was there when Farm Progress was there, and there was a lot more tractors in that collection which were not listed on the auction, which was the first thing I thought was odd when I watched the sales video. Now its possible some tractors were sold by Don, but I would find that pretty unlikely seeing he had money, and he was a collector, so where did those others tractors go, and who took the cash from them? 
 I have no dog in this fight, but just doing a quick search about Mrs Fenetti, she has been a very giving person in Dunn county, it said she paid for a new gymnasium for the local high school, she gives scholarships to  less fortunate kids to go to college, says she funded a $400000 shortfall in a million dollar project, which to me sounds like a pretty nice lady. Seeing there is no mention of either nephew donating anything to anyone, it just strikes me that she isn't the greedy party here.  Just from the outside looking into this mess, my guess would be she tried to honor Dons wishes, she probably has been trying for the last 6 yrs, according to the court papers, and the fact that so far the courts have sided with her, I am going to guess the problem is with what the nephews think they are "entitled " to. Being nephews to a rich man, in my opinion doesn't "entitle" you to jack s**t. But that's my opinion.
  The auction I am sure angered a lot of people, but look at it from her point, she is trying to keep her husbands legacy, and love alive, it seems to be a last ditch effort by her, and maybe it was done so no more got sold from under her. It took 6 yrs for this to come about, so its not like we are 3-4 months past Dons death.  She didn't cheat anyone here out of anything, if you bid and didn't get the tractor, your out no money , a little time, but there was no guarantee you were going to win the bid anyways. You might be ticked off, but I am sure she isn't happy about this whole ordeal either. Honestly the subject should be dropped, everyone including me are just guessing as to what happened, we should show some respect to Don, and his wife, thank God he had the ability to amass the tractors for the world to see, it was a selfless act that now is turning very ugly.
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All you hear about any thing like this ,U will NEVER hear both sides of the story !!!!!
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There was a situation close up here, An old man had several kids and the son took over the farm, and took care of him for several years, showing up and making sure he was Okay and took him to places as needed etc. And the other kids didn't give a rat .ss about the old man till he was near dead one day and the son told them to better go see him because might not make it. He rallied back some and oldest daughter took him to their place for a part of the year and he ends up in the hospital again.  Then they were visiting him daily in the care facility for a few weeks. The son could only get to see him a couple times and that was the days it was raining... Everything was already settled ... or was suppose to be because there was a notarized will... and the house and land were suppose to go back to the son... then there was other assets that were suppose to go to the kids...
 Old man dies and the son goes to the house (just a short drive down the road) and looks in the safe for the will that was suppose to be there and it wasn't... then noticed all the valuables were missing and the house and... the house was locked... He asked his sister if they had been in there. 'No' they said... He noticed a few articles that his mother had sitting in the house and he says 'you were, that was in the house'. No she said, it was given to her when her mom was still alive... He said 'theres hell of a lot more sitting in your house that was in dad's house just before he died. You are full of lies'.  Being she was the most conniving, she and her husband went to court because they claimed they took care of the old man and that they were going to be the ones in charge... they had already talked to the 'other siblings' and they had agreed for her to be in charge... except the son, her brother. Paper arrived in the mail concerning the estate and he went to the meeting and the official asked if there was a will and the the sister and husband saaid No... and the brother said YES and it was in the safe and they stole it. The sis's husband opened his mouth saying, We didn't steal any will because there was never a will made... it infuriated the fellow and he went right over the table screaming 'you lying SOB' and the BIL jumped up from his chair just enough to get cold cocked... and he turned to the sister and said see you in he ll and started after her and she jumped back and he walked out of the court room.
  Of course, they filed charges against him and the cops gone out to the farm to arrest him.  He went to a neighbor and walked into the house and sat down at the table like he always did. Neighbors talked to him for awhile and then he said that they were going to have to do his chores that night, because he was probably going to be doing some time in the couty jail. then told them what happened... The neighbor called and yup he was a wanted man... they went in with him. 
  He was the talk of the neighborhood... like a hero... and many told him he should have coldcocked the other one too... LOL
 The old man's estate was sold off to settle and then the son still got screwed in that too.
 To this day he does not associate with his sister or family, and doesn't even rent the  his brothers farm anymore either, yet he rents on three side of him.
 Essence of this, the will needs to be notarized, and to have it registered too as I was told to prevent "lost" wills.
  
 
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Doesn't the survivor (wife) get the estate?  I'm not sure how the will would work in the situation if he gave some of his property to someone else, then there would be tax on the gift, if it goes to the wife, seems like there would be no tax until she passes.  Just my two cents.
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I agree Gary! ya'll keep us posted!
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Originally posted by Carl(NWWI) Carl(NWWI) wrote:

JayIN, that is a good show!! It's sad, but a couple ppl I have talked too wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up dead over this. I really hope that's not the case, but you hit the nail on the head. American Greed is exactly what it is.


If I were the high bidder on a tractor that I didn't get I'd be filing a complaint with the Attorney General,State's Attorney or what ever its called in their state plus,I'd file a complaint with the agency that licenses auctioneers there.The results of their investigations
might lead to grounds for a civil suit,would love to see the whole bunch have to go
thru depositions.
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JayIN, that is a good show!! It's sad, but a couple ppl I have talked too wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up dead over this. I really hope that's not the case, but you hit the nail on the head. American Greed is exactly what it is.
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IG and Doc have to be on the right track. She would not have an auction and nosale most of the stuff if she needed the money. I will admit that I only know what has been posted here and nothing more. Either she was forced to sell and payed the bid price or this auction was a way of valuing the collection so as to set a base for capital gains taxes after the inheritance. They don't actually have to sell to have a value placed on them. Either way it's a bad deal.
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

I really think this has been made a lot more complicated then need be. The man and women were married. Had no kids, were neither married before. If there were nothing in writing,wouldn't she have got it all ? If you were the nephews, wouldn't you feel privileged to get anything? You as a nephew are owed nothing. You as a wife is entitled to half of everything married, divorced, dead or alive. If she wanted to keep those tractors there, good for her !!!!! At least they meant more to her than money, unlike the nephews !!!!


Amen, and well said. 100% agree. I applaud her fortitude.
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The way I read the 34 or so page court disposition was that Mr Fanetti had a will that gave the nephews the bulk of the land and hard assets and his widow the home place and the cash. This was his wishes and was known by the people involved. It was understood. After his death, the will" came up missing". This happens a lot if the will is not held by someone that can be trusted.(not no Dam@/n lawyer). Someone made somebody mad and the will" disappeared" . Happens a lot. Executor of the state can make ANYTHING happen. Sad story for sure, but it ain't over!!! Someone in the area PLEASE keep us posted. My daughter is a TV producer for the show American Greed. I will call her tomorrow (it's her 32 birthday anyway) and see if she thinks this could be fodder for a show.LOL! It could be!
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Ah yup your right Eric, thanks

Be curious to know how many of them did or were supposed to end up in his collection
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Ah yup your right Eric, thanks
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Maybe she didn't have enough cash on hand to settle the inheritance taxes. Certainly they met the total estate value criteria for needing to pay it.
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

I really think this has been made a lot more complicated then need be. The man and women were married. Had no kids, were neither married before. If there were nothing in writing,wouldn't she have got it all ? If you were the nephews, wouldn't you feel privileged to get anything? You as a nephew are owed nothing. You as a wife is entitled to half of everything married, divorced, dead or alive. If she wanted to keep those tractors there, good for her !!!!! At least they meant more to her than money, unlike the nephews !!!!

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IANAL but as I recall from Business Law 301 and 302, every State has their own way of distributing the estate when someone dies intestate.
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I really think this has been made a lot more complicated then need be. The man and women were married. Had no kids, were neither married before. If there were nothing in writing,wouldn't she have got it all ? If you were the nephews, wouldn't you feel privileged to get anything? You as a nephew are owed nothing. You as a wife is entitled to half of everything married, divorced, dead or alive. If she wanted to keep those tractors there, good for her !!!!! At least they meant more to her than money, unlike the nephews !!!!

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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Didn't he have a quarry, or some special rock mining business too?

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Didn't he have a quarry, or some special rock mining business too?
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Originally posted by Ken(MI) Ken(MI) wrote:

and many times, the person actually responsible for the prosperity is a pretty decent person, but the spouses, children, and siblings are pretty pathetic excuses for human beings. I have no idea if that is the case here, this is just an observation of wealthy people I've personally known.

You're not the only one to notice that commonality in people in that situation. 

I know a number of people who made their money on their own and I would say that almost all of them who earned honestly are all around good people.  

The rest I dont have the time of day for. 

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