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Jeff B View Drop Down
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    Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 9:50pm
I don't post much just read alot, but have to tell about my new tractor. A friend of mine called me about a D17 on craig's list not far from me and it's cheap.  A d17 would be the newest in the line for me and the P.D. would be great on drives, so I went and looked. It had not run in a couple years but was not stuck, the guy told me all he know about the tractor and was very nice. He bought it 15 years ago the gauges did not work and it started running ruff when he stopped using it. he told me he was no mechanic but it needed a manifold to run right, yes it needed a manifold. I bought the tractor got it home, put good used manifold on it and it ran after about 1/4 can of carb cleaner. ran on three cly. at ideal open it up went to 1 cly, so I put a head and distributor on it and it ran like a watch but no oil presure! striped the engine down and the oil pump drive gear on the cam is striped. so it will get the full treatment everything new but the block. I sure hope everything from the clutch back is good! arn't old tractors fun.
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Finding all the idiosyncrasies and the surprises are what makes old equipment fun.
The joy is in the journey.

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I've bought my share of those kind of tractors. I guess you just have to look at the upside that you shouldn't have to worry about fixing it again anytime soon.

Sorry about your luck and hopefully it works out for you,
Denis
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don't get me wrong I am not unhappy with this deal. But I don't think you can buy a cheap tractor and do very little to it and have a good one, like some claim. And if anyone has been to my place they know i'm all about quantity not quality.
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yep the old ran when I parked it deal. :)
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Aren't friends great!!!!  Here I thought I was moving you up to modern technology, HA HA and yes you are all about quantity.   Andy
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Jeff I agree and if the objective is to make it run and look like new the initial price paid is the smaller % of the cost. For a lot of us it's just a hobby and I for one enjoy working on them, overcoming the surprises- when your done you will have a great tractor capable of farming 160 acres if needed!
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Jeff, thats how it goes. One thing leads to another, then another, and yup, another.
 
1). be thankful its not a diesel, little more pricey to work on
2). Its these issues that we fix on old tractors, that gain us knowledge that you can't learn anywhere else.
3). There is a real good feeling of accomplishment, after you fixed the problem. You will get there, just takes time and money.
 
 
And also, yes. There are some cheap tractors out there that are deals. Usually the ones that stayed inside most of there life, and are in good shape and the owner wants them gone. Those are the ones to look for.


Edited by Don(MI) - 10 Nov 2011 at 7:25am
Galatians 5:22-24

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Yep, I purchased a Model B allis 1939. Had not run for 5 years but I got it running before I purchased it. Sounded O.K. without a muffler. Could only move it a couple of feet because of other machinery. Got it home and put a muffer on it and hear a knock in in. Restored in a few years later and now have  more then it is worth in it. But had the joy of over hauling and restoring it. I think we all have a story to tell about a old tractor that we bought but it still is fun working with them and talking about them.

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Been there, done that. In fact I now plan on1-2K to rehab even a decent looking and running tractor. Currently have an Unstyled WC that I rescued recently waiting to be opened up. Thus far, have very little in it (got it for less than scrap price). After a few weeks of soaking got the engine fired, new sediment bowl, rehabbed carb, a 12V coil and I had it running...only to recognize the tell tale rap of a bad rod bearing. Was thinking of parting it out; however it is complete and the tin is in excellent condition. It is currently 3rd in line, after an engine rebuild in the CA I started last winter and some tinker work on the (now running and functional) fence row D12 I purchased for parts
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Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2.
With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC
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I remember working at a ford tractor dealership back in the early 80's. An older gent brought in a rather old tractor with engine troubles. I don't remember the make but it was a little smaller than a farmall cub. What stood out was the love this old gent had for this tractor. Even after being told that the work needed would cost 3 times the value of the tractor he still wanted the old girl fixed. They allowed him in the shop while I worked on the tractor (which was rare) and he went on and on about things that were connected in some way with that old tractor. I guess there are some instances where money plays the smallest roll.
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I can understand all of your thoughts and unexpected problems.  Since I do not have room for tractors and really cannot work on them cause I just can't bend over and work in that position anymore. 
All I can do is give thanks to all of you who heavly invest time, talent, and treasures, to keep the Allis Chalmers or any other name alive.  I fully understand all that you may run into since some of the units are pushing 80 years old.  If they have sat outside heaven knows what you can run into.  Armand once told me he moved every bolt when he restored a tractor.  I asked him why and he said on old tractors you never know what you will run into so do it when you are close.
In any event thanks to you all for what you do.
Good Luck!
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ps:  The D-17 was one of the last tractors I sold.  I have trouble thinking it is an antique
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On the average the cheapest route to a good running tractor is to buy one that is all ready there. You may pluck a cherry out of a manure pile every now and then but,,,,,,
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Yup, been there done that. My D17D ran great when I got it home. When I looked at it I could see the head had been off and all gaskets had a little black RTV on them. I figured it had been apart. After running a while it had fuel in the oil. Nothing big, the pump shaft seal had been rolled. Had it running nice, started pushing coolant out. Headgasket leaking! Pulled the head, the pistons were hitting the head from excessive surfacing of the block, all the sleeves were .005 to .007 below the deck, and the block was cracked around 10 of the head bolt holes. Not good! What started out as a simple head gasket turned into having to find another block and a full major overhaul. If I plucked a cherry out of the manure pile, (the head only needed to be surfaced) it definitely had a big ol pit in it...
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paid 300.00 for the tractor, final total with labor 3,000.00 I did all the work. the next cheap tractor will get parted out. Oh the tractors name is the $300.00 Sherry!uploads/1167/064.JPG
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I still  like the shine and color of Sherry.  Whats the name of the new money pit ??   Andy
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My 180D came as a pleasant price surprise but had issues, small issues.  Since bought have had to replace the brakes, brake rod/adjusters and axle seals after the brake rods sheared away, the seals in the 3-pt cylinders had begun to leak so they were rebuilt same time, had to pull the trans cover and fish out broken shift forks(been cracked quite awhile) and wound up replacing all of them, does not jump out of any gear but the PTO is a bit stubborn to get in at times.  After rehabbing the wiring, replacing a voltage regulator and then the coolant gauge it seems to be doing good when the leakstop in the radiator gave up and I had to have it boiled and re-soldered at the tank seams. So far nothing major but a lot of little expenses.  I almost forgot, tie rods were frozen together and the ends bad so they got replaced.
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But it's all for the next generation.  I save any A-C tractor/implement I can because I know it goes to china, it's gone forever and will never return.  Going orange is going great!
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I've bought to many tractors that I told myself were a great deal, only to find out that it's got this wrong and that wrong, and If I would have just paid a little extra I could have bought one that is ready to go.
I've had good luck buying tractors from out west (Montana), and the best deal I've had was buying my AC 200 from a local farmer who was retiring and selling everything. He was one of them farmers who doesn't have a single piece of equipment sitting outside, and waxes everything yearly. Find them guys, and it will show in the equipment.
There is a little sense of gratitude bringing an old one back from the dead though. You just have to know what you're in for when you buy it.

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What i don't understand is when the tractor is rough and dosen't run and there is no history between the tractor and owner but the owner thinks its worth the price of a good running tractor.
The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend?
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