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Kevin210 
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 5:22pm |
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Was just curious as what technique everyone has in keeping track of your nuts and bolts when you overhaul a motor,especially all the smaller ones as to getting them back where they come from.
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Krazy Karl
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 5:28pm |
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Depends on the day. Some days through them all in one bucket or container. Other days when picky individual containers. Marked what for. Like if taking sheet metal off one box labeled that. One for rocker arm one for head bolts. It can go on and on.
Edited by Krazy Karl - 06 Jan 2019 at 5:28pm
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 6:10pm |
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Washed out soup cans and use a marker to write where they were removed from.
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Dek Thorne
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 6:40pm |
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 6:50pm |
This is a excellent question! I have laid them aside, foolish! put them in containers unmarked, not much better used plastic bags, some marked some not, getting better but still cant find them when I need them. Since about 10% of the bolts removed are bent broken damaged or missing: It would be great to have a reference bolt listing for each tractor. I know that is a major project but sure would be nice to organize or re-organize or get replacement bolts ready for the reassembly process. Yea this is one that always bugs me. And I never seem to be organized enough to be ready. Another thing is do most folks clean and refresh each bolt with primer and primer and or finished paint prior to assembly?
I think Marv had a good method of marked trays. I tried that. The wife took the tray and put Christmas stuff in it for storage!:)
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 06 Jan 2019 at 9:10pm
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 7:30pm |
muffin pans work for little parts/nuts and bolts. After working on AC tractors for years you get to know what bolts, nuts washers, brackets go where, I use lots of Folger's Coffee cans and try to put a bracket or part that go's to a place on the tractor for reverence in a can. After you take on basket case jobs over the years you get good at knowing where all they go. lol Take lots of pic's of all places on the tractor before you teardown.
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 7:37pm |
 Sugarmaker wrote:
This is a excellent question! I have laid them aside, foolish! put them in containers unmarked, not much better used plastic bags, some marked some not, getting better but still cant find them when I need them. Since about 10% of the bolts removed are bent broken damaged or missing: It wold be great to have a reference bolt listing for each tractor. I know that is a major project but sure would be nice to organize or re-organize or get replacement bolts ready for the reassembly process. Yea this is one that always bugs me. And I never seem to be organized enough to be ready. Another thing is do most folks clean and refresh each bolt with primer and primer and or finished paint prior to assembly?
I think Marv had a good method of marked trays. I tried that. The wife took the tray and put Christmas stuff in it for storage!:)
Regards, Chris
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Chris I clean bolts, nuts, brackets after teardown when the job is on hold for the new parts to show-up, that way they are ready to go back on the tractor and that's the best time for me to find the bad stuff as I clean them.
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john(MI)
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 8:18pm |
Two ways here;
1. Put everything in a coffee can.
2. find an area big enough and put the first stuff off at the furthest away and layer it down from there as you take stuff off. Also you lay the parts and associated hardware together. Depends on how deep you are going, but I use a cardboard box and stick pushrods thru numbered holes. Although, lately I've been reading where it doesn't matter which hole they go back in because all of the holes should be operating and adjusted the same!
I've also found that when reassembling, torquing bolts is not really an accurate torque unless you have new bolts. The original bolts were stretched when torqued the first time so you are probably leaving bolts lose when you torque old bolts to spec! I.M.H.O.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 8:23pm |
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I kept a lot of the land o lakes cottage cheese containers there rectangular and stack when cover is put on. There white and sharpies write on them. When I take a section off all the hardware gets stashed with the parts.
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Kevin210
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 8:45pm |
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I have been working on this 3500 to 3700 engine swap since October(not everyday though) so I have two engines sitting together so since it has been fairly warm here I did some more work on them this weekend and have swapped the oil pans because the donor motor pan had some repairs on it or something,but anyways when I put the pan on the 3700 motor today I swear I couldn't find all the pan bolts where i'd thought I had left them.
I have also noticed that nuts and bolts have been moved around some somewhat and some small sockets which I have decided the pole barn cats(2) for mouse catching must be playing with them.
So i'm thinking this would be time consuming but maybe a piece of plywood and wood bits to drill holes in it for bolts at least when removing them then writing on the board what and where they came from might help with a more memory.
Just thinking out loud I guess,lol.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 9:29pm |
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I use a piece of cardboard for keeping track of bolts. Example: the last engine I overhauled was a 235 Chevy. I scrawled out a rough drawing of a bird's eye view of the head, then punched a little hole wherever a bolt goes in the head. Then just stick the bolts in the holes. I also punched holes and inserted the push rods. This creates a nice "map" and everything goes back in the same hole it came out of.
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Ted in NE-OH
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Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 10:54pm |
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Washed out Cat food cans are free as neighbor has lots of cats
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 12:04am |
I forgot to say that for the bigger parts I have some older heavy-duty roll-around bread racks that are 7' high by 4' long and 30" wide with seven moveable racks on them, one unit will hold all the sheet medal parts on top with room for all engine parts below. They are great for holding pieces off the shop floor and when you have three or four WD45's in pieces it's hard to not mix them up but the racks stop that. lol
see some of them.
Edited by Don(MO) - 07 Jan 2019 at 12:12am
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 12:07am |
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I have what is meant to be a plywood knick knack shelf that supposed to hang on the wall with about 30 good sized partitions to put stuff in. A legible piece of cardboard or whatever can be put on edge with each. Now if I ever had that with me where I need to tear into something it would be wonderful.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 12:09am |
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I also have a bread rack on rollers, and it holds about 8-4 loaf bread baking pans. holds the bolts, and small parts that may come with the bolts.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 8:54am |
That bread rack idea is nice and I just passed up a bunch of them. May have to stop and see if they have any left. My next item is to get all these cleaned and primered parts out of one building and into another. I may use totes for temp storage of samlls? I have too much stuff!! Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 11:23am |
Before disassembly, WASH the grease and dirt off. Take photographs, from several angles. Heavy duty Zip-Lock bags. Use a Sharpie to label the bags. Use an automatic center punch to mark the part locations. A number or letter punch may also be used to help in identification of parts and location.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 1:49pm |
the 16 years I spent in the airforce when we removed a aircraft part the hardware was placed in a cloth bag and tied to the part in one of the bolt holes and the bag was labeled when aircraft it came from and the location on the aircraft. search clothe parts bags last ones I got at amazon were about $20 for a box of 100 bags. I use them when something is going to be apart for a while. when ever you move the part the hardware goes with it. I usually pressure wash whatever I'm taking apart before taking it apart. I hate dirt in my shop. the farm I work part time we HOT wash whatever were working on before disassembly. when you wash it with 200 deg pressure washer with lots of simple green its a lot easier to get apart when you can see all the bolts.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 3:12pm |
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I put everything in a bucket with a couple of small holes in the bottom. Then after cleaning I spread them out on an old baking pan and pick what I need as the motor goes back together. I’ve done so many BE/CE engines, I hardly even need to look at the pile of fasteners to get the right one I need.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 3:21pm |
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If you're doing projects regularly, might want to invest in a hanging parts bin system. I also like the little drawer cabinets for really small parts.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 3:28pm |
The heck with nuts and bolts... WHERE the devil is my favourite 3/8 drive,1/2" deep, 6 point socket gone to THIS time !!???? aarrrgh..... The last time it went 'walkabout' it took me 6 YEARS to find... after 2 weeks, I LOST it again... I know it's 'somewhere' in the garage..
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 4:29pm |
I like that cloth bag idea too. I had a couple hours this afternoon so I moved all the primered Allis parts back to the garage from the sugarhouse. I used two large tubs to hold the smalls. The big parts are going to have to go in the garage attic for a while. Regards,
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 4:47pm |
For years I've been using zip lock bags. They're cheap, and they work great not only for Tractors, but for cars n' trucks to when I'm doing a resto on something like that. As I take each piece apart, I mark the bags contents and where they came from. Put everything in a box, and mark the box. When it comes to hardware, I usually replace the nuts n' bolts and washers with new stuff that looks like or is equivilent to the originals in look and size. I then little by little start glassbeading pieces and as I paint them put them in another much cleaner box so when the time comes to start assembly, everything is ready to go. Because it takes me anywhere's from 3-10 years to do a resto, (depending on what it is) I need to do this cause' the brain doesn't remember all that was done all those years prior! LOL! A mind is a terrible thing to waste...... 
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