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bobkyllo 
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 7:10pm |
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My d14 is going to need a tune up. Do I pulled the plugs and they look OK but not great. So I'm going to replace them. The previous owner claimed it burnt a little oil. Plugs don't really look like it but I haven't run it all that much. Never the less I'm going to change plugs and currently it has champion plugs. Model j8c. Is there one that is a touch hotter?
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BPM75
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 7:40pm |
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Others may disagree with me but I would run AC Delco plugs and not the Champions. My D17 has been in the family since it was new and my Dad said they never could vet Champions to run in it they'd put ACs in and it would run great, I can't remember the size off the top of my head, Im thinking R43 but not sure.
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norm[ind]
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 7:45pm |
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do not use champions???deco 295 05 0r 303 ,s
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ac45dave
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 7:46pm |
i vote for ac45 or autolite 295. check this
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 10:50am |
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DougS
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 11:46am |
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Go with the standard heat ranges. If you seldom work your tractor hard or it burns a little oil, move up one heat range. If you work your tractor hard you may need to move down one range. You'll know after you make your first plug change.
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WEL(TN)
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 11:48am |
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I have been using Autolite 295 for along time however the last several I have purchased had cracked porcelain right out of the box. The cracks are in the area where the porcelain ends and the hex begins. Others I know of have also complained. I think I will go back to AC 45s.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 12:12pm |
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The last no on the plug is usually the heat range(was in the old school).If you are using A C 45 to go hotter go 46 and as mention above if you run it a lot you might use 43.Read factory literature sales people might just want to make a sale.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 12:30pm |
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Is the thermostat good? I would use the R45 AC plugs over Champion but a cold running engine is going to foul plugs no matter how healthy it is. Get the engine hot. I run a 195 thermostat in the CA along with a Pertronix in the dizzy. It never fouls plugs anymore.
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 4:06pm |
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Champion tractor plugs seem to never clean up after the porcelain gets dirty from burning oil or running rich from being choked to start.They also have an internal series gap to make the coil give higher voltage because the company thinks ALL vintage tractors burn lots of oil. Generally Champion tractor plugs are junk to be avoided.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 04 Mar 2016 at 6:27am |
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I beg to differ. I think ALL Chimpanze plugs should be avoided! Not just the Tractor plugs... LOL! I know some of the family on here run the Champs with no problems. I was one of those that no matter what I put a Champ in, it didn't last or run well. Change to AC's or Autolites, and engines ran great. WTF?...
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2016 at 8:30am |
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I haven't had any experience with Chumps plugs in any engines but tractor engines in a couple decades, so I don't KNOW their other plugs are junk, but I also don't know they are good. Other than the series gap their other plugs probably use the same formula for the porcelain that won't clean and so Steve's evaluation is correct.
Gerald J.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2016 at 9:31am |
I have been running J8Cs in all my tractors with few problems. Tried Autolite 303 and 295s and had problems with quality (cracked porcelans) early fouling. Straight AC 45s are no longer available and are the best you can get if you can find some old stock. The R45's are ok with distributor ignition, but should not be used with magnetos I've been told. The resistance is hard on the coils. For putz around tractors AC 46 or 47s don't fouls as easy, but for hard work stay with the 45 heat range. Also using 91 octane ethanol free gas helps a lot, particularly if you have several tractors and they don't get used a lot. Also stabilize your gas with Sta-bil, or Seafoam for storage over a year.
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