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Creek Jenkins 
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:18pm |
I was looking thru the local auction house upcoming auctions and one of them has a 1937 B with serial #4. Looks to be in fair shape. Don't know that much about the Bs other than I kinda would like one. Engine does look different though - the early ones were Waukesha's weren't they?
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Edited by Creek Jenkins - 28 Apr 2010 at 7:52pm
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:28pm |
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:31pm |
I looked at the pictures of the Waukesha B that Dale Haymaker has on his Paris museum website, and I'm going to say that that's not a 1937 B at that auction. At the very least the engine looks like the standard BE engine, maybe CE. They're probably just misreading the serial number. But I could be wrong.
The manifold should be visible on that side of the tractor if it were a Waukesha flat head.
I guess it's possible that the engine was replaced? I know some things weren't interchangeable with the 1937 B's and the later ones... not sure about the engine. Can't say I've ever had much personal experience with one of them!
Edited by wjohn - 28 Apr 2010 at 7:35pm
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Bill Long
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:38pm |
wjohn, I agree with you. That is not, repeat, not, a Waukesha B.
With the mag on the shown side that is a standard B or later B engine. You can see by the plugs and the plug openings.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:39pm |
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Definitely not a 37 B Waukesha engine. I wish they had a better picture but the engine is a BE or CE.
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GlenninPA
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:41pm |
That is a Waukesha B, all except the engine and the hood, & perhaps the radiator cowl.
The engine has obviously been replaced.
It would still be a neat tractor to own.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:42pm |
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Take a look at the fenders. I believe that this may be a hybrid of early B and later B parts...
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:43pm |
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:45pm |
Sorry, I am still in the infancy stage posting pictures. This is me at "Coming Home" with Nan Jone's Waukesha B. Not the greatest picture but note the manifold and air cleaner hose on the engine side.
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Creek Jenkins
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:46pm |
Now I'm really curious - might have to slip over and have a look at it if I can get off work early. Just to see what it goes for.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:49pm |
The rear fenders, the front wheels and axles and the serial number sure do point out that it started out in 1937.
Life was harder after that.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:51pm |
 Here's the pic. Definitely not a Waukesha. If the s/n is korrect, then it was repowered and a diff hood put on. Or did they just not scrape away enuf paint to see all the s/n?
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:53pm |
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Ah, those front wheels and fenders definitely are different... well I'm learning plenty about 1937 B's today! It sure would be neat to see it at Paris in July if someone on here gets it, even with the replacement engine.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:57pm |
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It kinda looks like the tool box is bent to fit the torque tube. That would be from the 37 too.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:59pm |
See how the hood does not line up with the fuel tank? That, and the fact that the holes are in all the wrong spots make it obvious that the hood was replaced, probably when it was repowered by that newer engine. Something probably broke or wore out on the Waukesha and the owner took the opportunity to "upgrade".
The rear fenders are flat, which is the way the first 96 were made, as they fabbed the fenders by hand, supposedly. If it has the brass plate with serial number 4 on it, then it is definately a 1937 from the torque tube back.
If someone wants to buy it, I would trade a couple of my NOS IB pintle hitches for it, as I believe there are fewer pintle hitches left than Waukesha B's. Let me know.
Edited by GlenninPA - 28 Apr 2010 at 8:00pm
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 8:10pm |
 GlenninPA wrote:
See how the hood does not line up with the fuel tank? That, and the fact that the holes are in all the wrong spots make it obvious that the hood was replaced, probably when it was repowered by that newer engine. Something probably broke or wore out on the Waukesha and the owner took the opportunity to "upgrade".
The rear fenders are flat, which is the way the first 96 were made, as they fabbed the fenders by hand, supposedly. If it has the brass plate with serial number 4 on it, then it is definately a 1937 from the torque tube back.
If someone wants to buy it, I would trade a couple of my NOS IB pintle hitches for it, as I believe there are fewer pintle hitches left than Waukesha B's. Let me know. |
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 8:15pm |
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I have to agree. Same front wheels as Waukesha B (if I remember correctly) and fenders as well. Throttle control is mounted in the proper place for it as well. It's quite a bummer it doesn't have the original engine. The torque tube looks shorter as well. It's surely an early B if it has the brass tag.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:29pm |
I agree with Lou. I'll never be able to keep track of all the different quirks. Have enough trouble with keeping D17s straight.
If I can get over to the auction, I'll try to get pics of it. We are supposed to go fishing that day with some friends, but odds are 50/50 the wind will keep us off Red so I might make it. Maybe Bruce will be there and he can tell us about it.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:48pm |
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I think Glenn is right.. it was a 37, but the motor is a BE.. other parts sure look llike original 37.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:52pm |
closeup of tool box, and steering column, (no light switch box)...
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:55pm |
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the original 37 should have a real long wheel hub that sticks out further than later models... and a 6 bolt pattern.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 10:01pm |
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Since it has had the engine changed to latter B engine the radiator would have to be changed, also it should have split rims on the rear, can not tell with all the chains on it.
Correct fenders, throttle and front wheels at least.
The brass tag would be worth as much as the rest of the tractor, I think the lowest 1937 B recorded so far is #16, mine is #18.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 6:32am |
Dale,
On the owners registry, (if you get past the spam), number 1 is listed. I arranged most of them into the correct year sequence based on the serial numbers.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 6:45am |
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Glenn,
The last time I checked with Larry Mathew, he is making a registry of the 1937 B's, he said #16 was the oldest one he had on his list. I did not check the registry on here.
He said most of the ones on the list DID NOT have a brass tag on them.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 10:05am |
Probably Larry should email him...
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Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 3:16pm |
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I know a big time AC collector who is going to the sale with a thick check book!!!
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Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 7:11pm |
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Is that a threat?
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Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 7:40pm |
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It sure looks like a nice hike up into North Minnesota....
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Posted: 02 May 2010 at 7:07am |
Bill, Your tractor is beautiful. Excellent paint. It looks museum quality. I have a 48 C with a long restoration road ahead. Would love to see more pics if you have the time to post them.
Gerard
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Posted: 02 May 2010 at 4:46pm |
ASEguy,
If you are refering to the picture Bill Long posted:
The tractor is not Bills. Bill lives in Maryland and sadly no longer has a place for a tractor where he lives now. BUT he does hold a special place in his heart for anything and everything AC. Bill was the son of a small AC dealer that sold many, many B tractors in their area. It is his favorite tractor. Bill is a great reference here and we all appreciate him VERY much and always love hearing what he has to say! He is a great man!
The tractor is, or was, owned my Nan Jones, the previous publisher of the OAN. It was one of the first 96 B's ever produced that used the Waukesha engine.
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