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Michael V (NM) 
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 Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 8:27am |
I can see already,,, its totally in the wrong place...... It needs to go,,, ah ,,,ah ,,,, about 1500 miles to the southwest....lookin good though, at least your getting started,, I haven't got much past wishing/planning stages...
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 7:13am |
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:40pm |
A few more things to get ready for the site prep.
Used the Wide front and trailer to load the sand for the great grands kids. Got that out of the way. Fired up the D17 and used it to pull the basketball hoop.
Neighbor came over and we squared up the corner marking stakes. We need a couple dry days and he should be able to start pushing dirt. Yes the two trees at the north end have to go too. I hate cutting tress down! Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 2:49pm |
Folks, The electric company fell the ash tree yesterday. I told them to just get it on the ground, and I would clean it up. Sounded great to them!
Loaded the sticks using the trailer and the wide front WD.
Here is a shot of where the shop is planed to land.
Shot from the front of the sugarhouse looking south west.
Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 9:12am |
Folks, I had not heard of pouring in the light of the moon? I need to brush up on my astrology too! I did think about a 2 post lift. That was the main reason to go with 12 foot inside ceiling height. I don't think I would really need to be that high for anything else. Probably crazy for a old man to have all these ideas. Current stakes in the yard are at 40' wide x 60 ' long. Electric company was called and a fellow from there stopped by yesterday to mark a dead ash tree that will need to come down. They will get it on the ground and we will cut it up. Two other trees will have to come down as they are inside the current building outline. Doesn't make the wife or I happy loosing trees. Our dog will miss the one maple as she lays there a lot! Sorry for the rambling. Thanks for checking in on me too! Posting helps me stay on track a little bit. During these difficult time I struggle to understand if I am doing the right thing on considering a major, expensive project? Regards, Chris
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marion
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Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 8:31am |
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did you allow room for a 4 post lift?
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LeonR2013
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 11:18pm |
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It was a good suggestion to put heavy plastic down before you pour your concrete. It will keep the flour from sweating in the spring or frosting in the winter. It will also keep the water from leaking out of your concrete taking a lot of your cement with it. In other words, less cracking. Now, believe it or not pour your floor in the light of the moon. It will be more stable (float) and definitely will not crack as bad. Leon
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JohnColo
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 10:22pm |
I'd suggest making it as wide as you can, say 40'-45' and then as long as you can afford/ think you need. Then in a couple years you can add on to the length for more storage. You might go to the Successful Farming web site, they have an issue each year with "best ides for your shop", some pretty impressive and expensive places but lots of good ides that can be used in a more modest building. My 2 cents.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 4:27pm |
 allis g wrote:
it will never be big enough mine is 30x 100 and crammed full
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Man I thought I had that part figured out! Your probably correct. If I keep bringing stuff home the 4 acres will be full! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 12:28pm |
it will never be big enough mine is 30x 100 and crammed full
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 8:56am |
Guys, The folks that have poured some buildings like this are recommending 4 foot of the insulation around the building perimeter to keep the frost out too. Thanks for the ideas and suggestions! Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 12:04am |
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and....frost will come up under the outside walls to about 4 ft in. I insulated my concrete floor with 2 inch 4x8 foam panels under the concrete. it has never settled or crushed down all these years and I sure can tell the difference on the warmth on the floor every winter.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 10:03pm |
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For insulation, go with spray foam. I did foam on my shop that's a combination concrete block/pole lean to. It basically turned it into an Igloo Cooler. My heat source is a mini split ductless system. It provides both heat and A/C. I went this route because the first summer I had a layer of mildew on everything. The beauty of the mini split is it's very economical to operate so you just turn it on and leave it on.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 8:56pm |
Folks, At home due to weather and trying to not venture out much anyway. I spent a lot of the day doing soft work on the building project. It had been several years since I used Sketch-up design system. I was able to work on variations of the proposed floor plan. Not sure I can add it in here its a PDF output file. Ok So I could not figure out how to load a PDF so took some pictures of the screen the resized them, and then loaded. Don't laugh too hard will try to improve this sketch!:)
Not great pictures of the 3D sketches, sure not complete. and I am very rusty on CAD. Havent decided about location of the man door coming into the tool shop? Maybe in line with the stairs? Maybe around the corner. ceiling height 12 foot. garages doors in this design 10 foot high 12 foot wide. 3 foot walk doors.
The big blue thing on the floor is my truck outline. The "tool shop" is about 20 feet sq. I moved the man door between the two 12 foot garage doors. Have stairs going to a loft area for some storage. Will be a 6/12 pitch. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Jun 2020 at 9:47pm
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farmboy520
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 5:52pm |
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Your idea of sketch of the building would be good. Make it to scale and take measurements of tractors and other "toys" so you know things will fit where you think they will.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 2:49pm |
Folks, Was just reviewing all the shop design and detail comments! So many good ideas here. I will use some and some may not fit my building design and or budget. I thank you for all of them! Regards,
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Posted: 16 Apr 2020 at 1:20pm |
Folks, Just a update, We continue to move slowly forward on this. I wake up in the middle of the night wondering about this project! Some of the paperwork has been set in motion. Things like permits, 811 call, Electric engineer visited and gave me quote to get power to the building. She did a survey of our annual electric usage and found we dont even get close to using 100 amps at any point through the year. So we will be going with new service disconnect on the new building and then run new power to the house panel. Also my electrician was here to do rough measurements and is working up a quote. Found out the supplier for gravel doesnt have the appropriate material for the building base at this time. And the contractor to do the site prep has just been called back to work. Cement contractors will be stopping in to provide quotes on flooring options. So one move forward one move back. Sounds about right. I have developed a general plan for the function/ layout in the building. I may wall in approx 1/4 th of the building as the shop for tools and work benches. This would be a area approx 20 x 20. I may try to sketch this up? Also looking at light storage in approx 50% of the attic area. May build a permanent set of 4 foot wide stairs to enter that area above. Lots of details. I would like a bunch of things that just may not be in the budget for a while. If/ when this building project moves forward, I will try to take some pictures. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 1:33pm |
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A heated paint booth could also double as a pickup storage area when not in use.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 10:47am |
Folks, I like the idea of the lean to. I am a lean to kind of guy. So I talk with folks and they say it is more cost effective to put the entire area under one roof. I understand both ideas. on one hand its cost effective to just build one building. On the other its nice to have seperate areas to house and hold things where you can close the door or get away from a project, or to contain things like paint and noise too. Good suggestions on power options. So many projects so little time!:) And if my body could only do half of what my brain thinks I can I would be way ahead!
It seems a lot of things will be in slow motion on a project like this now. Even the gravel folks are not hauling. Courthouse is almost shut down so paper work may take a while. Maybe that will give me some time to sort things out as we move through this spring.
One thing is that this is not a building that is farm related. More of a toy box/ workshop. Would like to have a bay to get my pickup in, then several tractors, OK 7 of the big ones and several small lawn tractors too. The shop needs are, solid work bench, place for basic tools, I have torches, two welders, small sandblast cabinet, vertical air compressor. Would love to have a jib crane and electric hoist!
Would be nice to have a paint area. I like to do these refurbs where I clean and paint stuff too. Regards, Chris
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FBI' are fair on price.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 12:01am |
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Designate high ceiling shop floor space for equipment projects ONLY.
Addon a 8-10’ tall x 25’ wide leantoo adjacent to long side of shop for tool room, welding, & paint booth etc..wash bay? Give leantoo better lighting, heat, air, & proper ventilation. If leantoo budget allows, build a break room with sink/refrigerator/microwave and bathroom. Also closet the air compressor for reduced noise.
Cart all tools, welder, parts, jacks, wood blocks into shop as needed. Pipe compressed air to each shop exit door making it ‘s quick coupler hose hookup readily available inside or outdoors. Stand overhead crane/hoist to the side of main shop door so crane can pivot outdoors or inside. It could lift items from outdoor truck & swing them inside over equipment in bay nearest door. Forget the stand crane if you have a forklift. But enable forklift to enter/exit leantoo tool room/welding/paint booth/wash bay as necessary. Park the forklift inside the leantoo.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 11:03pm |
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Here in Ohio we have several Amish builders of pole buildings that are priced a lot cheaper than a Morten building.We put up a 60x136x16 with 6 inches of concrete over 2 inches of insulation,heat in the floor,overhead door,led lighting for $89,000. No insulation in the walls and ceiling yet.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 8:03pm |
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I have 400 amp in my shop.
Also, each plug has it own breaker and most have a switch inline before the plug.
I have a light at each station. If the light is on, you have powder to that tool.
I also, have 6- 220 volt plugin, all with their own breakers.
At times I may have a welder, plasma cutter, air compressor, drill press, powder coating oven and bandsaw running at the same time.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:20pm |
Jay, Great suggestions. I will find out about the 400 amp service. A neighbor did that in his new garage a couple years ago. My current 200 amp service in the house is full. Makes sense to at least get costs. Book is good idea too! Regards, Chris
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Well, you got a dozen different ideas... They range from $15K to $125K .......... i guess the MAIN question is What SIZE and COST "range" are you thinking ? If your 40 years old and got another 40 years to work in it, it is different than if your 70 and part time working ! .............. or are you planning ahead for kids / grandkids to take over ?
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 6:55pm |
Given the choice, go 100% underground for hydro ! You'll NEVER have to worry about tree branches taking out power. See about $$ for 400A service, 200 for shop/shack, 200 for house. Yes, it's more upfront $$, BUT a onetime cost. We all would hate to hear you say, dang I need another 100A...2 years from now.....and it costing 3X today's price. Also start a BOOK ! Put prices, names, numbers in it.That way you can compare and decide based on facts not 'well I though he said.......'.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 6:37pm |
Wow Lots of great suggestions and ideas and also some, wish I had made things different related to buildings. Today we talked preliminary electric service and options with Nic (grandson) my electrician. Monday the electric company engineer is coming to meet with me to review options. I will be bringing all the power for the house and sugarhouse through the new building. At least that is the current plan. New 200 amp service entrance into the shop, could go under ground or overhead, then underground to the house and then to the sugarhouse.
My current 2 car attached garage has been insulated in the ceiling and walls and it sure does make a difference when its cold or hot. Well worth the investment.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:47pm |
1 they're all too small.
2 unless they're round, there is always sh!t in the corners.
3 if you pour a concrete floor, make sure you put a sheet of plastic, under the pour, cause in humid weather concrete with no vapor barrier= rusty sh!t in the corners!
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My shop is too small, was big enough to repair the 7G, to construct the grain truck but was seriously lacking room. 30' deep, 48' long, 12' ceiling and 10' doors. Needed to be 40x80 at this point and 16' ceiling height with 14' doors. Man doors mean squat unless use them for materials 3/0 doors are fine to walk in and out, otherwise use the overhead doors. Sliding pole barn doors leak air like a screen door, do not seal to the floor, always cold wet or hot, do not dissuade critters that eat on wiring, destroy insulation and in general make a mess everywhere you do not want it. Concrete floor, 6" poor with perimeter frost wall, stick built Not pole built, or go red iron building for strength and structural integrity. Fully insulate the ENTIRE structure, do not squabble or go cheap as the end result is costing more to work in it, for lighting, heating, keeping other materials controlled.
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All your doors need to be 48".
I have 12' side walls and wish they were 16'.
My one roll up door is 24', anything under 16', is to small for a shop.
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