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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote EPALLIS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 9:09pm
A few thoughts:
1.  Thanks so much for saving this A-C and picker.  Not many left.
2.  I was at an auction 3 years back where there was one fully functional (tractor and picker) in good running condition.  Sold for $2000 even.
3.  My father had one of these.  I remember it took him 2 weeks to put the picker on and 2 weeks to take it back it off.
4.  Side motor shields missing is about $150.
5.  Hope you can find the "snout".
6.  Have Fun!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 7:17am
Gee my Dad removed his 33 from his WC picker after harvest every year and he said he got so good at it that he could do it in 1/2 hour. Sometimes Dad needed the tractor freed up, as it was his only tractor for a bit, so he would remove and reinstall more than once in the fall.

Funny how Allis was so advanced to have quick adjustable stripper plates back then. Now all the new combines for the last several years finally have that feature.
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Figured I'd give an update on the tractor/corn picker salvation. Been an off/on project this winter as the Mrs. wants some remodeling work in the house done. Best time to work on the tractor is when she's at work I will try to get some photos up once the picker is 'alive' again. Many thanks to my neighbor for letting me take over his shop this winter!

For the tractor: Pulled the motor and clutch and replaced them with parts off of a donor tractor. Water pump was seized, radiator not the best. The "reverse" lockout on the shifter was seized, taking the shifter semi apart was a new learning experience to say the least, good thing for this Forum else I would have been lost! Tried to reuse as many parts/tin as I could to keep the original look. Motor is up and running. Just installed shifter last evening. Hoping to take a drive later this week

For the corn picker: think I used a gallon of both WD-40 and PB Blaster. Still had to heat/tourch/cut quite a few bolts. Made sure everything was semi loose and or moved by hand before using a pipe-wrench and bar to SLOWLY turn the input shaft. Long behold everything turns! By far the biggest pain was getting the pto shaft to telescope again. PB Blasted the shaft for a week; a chain,tree,tractor, and some heat was the key to finally getting it apart. Cleaned the shaft up and slides pretty good now. Plan is to run the picker slowly and oil/grease everything.



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Also many thanks to the gentlemen that sold be the unit that belonged to his father. He's father is not doing the best health-wise and he wanted to see it up and going before he passed. Doing my best to make this happen! Thanks again Robert!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JayIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 7:23pm
Keep up the good work. I had one of those 30 years ago. Werent worth anything then. Scrapped the picker and kept the tractor.Scrap was $30 a ton.The picker was sold out of my Uncle's dealership and had never been off the tractor! It was a very tight WD as all it had ever done in its life was pick corn.I started farming with that $200 tractor. 1982. Good luck. Thanks for the preservation!
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JayIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 7:30pm
I never did pick with it.Mine was a snapper. Pre stripper plates.Dad said they "butt shelled" really bad. Had to pick really green.So I bought a New Idea 323 1 row with a shucking bed.Guess it was.more than 30 years ago......lol.
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Allis dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 6:58am
I always thought those were so cool. I almost bought one a few years ago, but didn't really know what I'd use it for with the wide rows and all...
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That is a good looking shop with cedar inside walls. Any oil and grease you get on the floor, put kerosene on it and let it soak in and then broom it real good. Throw floor dry on it and let it stand for a couple hrs. It'll clean up and look brand new.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 8:08am
Yeah, that's a later WC.  There's no hand clutch on the WC, it's simply a traction disconnect.  As noted, you can bump it out, and thus disengage the drivetrain, but keep the PTO running, but you do have to push in the clutch to re-engage.  The hand clutch of the WD was a substantial feature by comparison.

The coil was applied to magneto to use the mag as a distributor.  it's a 'kludge' when someone doesn't know how to fix a magneto.

Good snag, and good work so far.  Swapping the engine with a waiting spare to make it a running machine is a good starting point for a project (always good when you can power test everything for operation).  That motor looks pretty bad inside, but knock out those sleeves, dip and bead-blast the block, and you'll swear it's brand new.  If there's still coolant in the block, that's a good thing- means it hasn't been frozen.

Take a shop-vac and cordless-drill with wire brush to it, don't try to roll it over with force, you'll just bend a connecting rod.  Keep track of the shims on the connecting rods... number-stamp the rods and caps before you take it apart, put each one, with it's fasteners, shims, etc., in a shoebox, and when you get around to cleaning up the parts and get a full rebuild kit on hand, it'll go fast and easy.
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that is a awsome project
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There were hand clutches for the WC as an after-market thing. It went in place of the differential disconnect, but not real common from what I've seen.
 That engine could be rebuilt, but if you have a donor, that will save time and money.
 We never had a 2 row mounted picker on the farm except when the neighbor came with his green and yellow one Shocked to open up fields for the one row Wood Brothers that Dad used. That rig could be made to pick corn for not a whole lot of money, if you can put the time into fixing things and freeing it up.
 Good luck with it, and keep us informed of your progress.
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I have been watching your progress. I was lucky to find a WC with a wet hand clutch and gear reduction add on on my picker. My fans run off the large flat pulley. I just added the pulley disconnect. 
Keep up the good work. Not many of these around any more.  
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Thanks JayIN! Goal is to have the unit at the Tri State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN this year. I believe "Allis Chalmers" is the feature this year.

Thanks for the recommendations DaveKamp. Hopefully I get the motor rebuild at some point. Would be a learning experience to say the least. With the wealth of knowledge individuals on this site I'm sure I could figure it out.

Wet hand clutch and gear reduction I'm sure would have been great when using these pickers Lon(MN)! Pulley disconnect maybe something I'll have to look into purchasing later down the road, especially if I'm driving it down the road a lot.

Would anyone happen to know the size and or belt number that I would need to replace the belt that goes from the v-belt pully to the picker fans? I have the old belt so I could probably measure it and get close. Was curious of anyone replaced there's recently.
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I think I might have a spare set of engine shields.  I found a set I forgot I had the other day.  I have to make sure they are the correct ones if you need them. 
 
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Hey Jim. Yes I am looking to purchase a set of engine shields. Not sure how they mount in regards to needing any additional brackets. Also looking into a front cone if that would be something you'd have? You're welcome to pm some pictures else I can pm my cell number.
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I will look.for you at Portland. Only about 75 miles for me.
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Wow you have taken on a big project! Your progress is good. You will find a lot of issues along the way too! You are lucky to have it in a nice shop!
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Interesting project! Thanks for sharing. I have also enjoyed the photos. Keep it coming
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Good Morning everyone! Hope you all had a great St. Patricks day Wanted to give an update with a couple of questions. Filled the transmission with oil on Friday, noticed a puddle of oil Saturday morning Found a crack in the pto housing. Pretty sure water leaked in there from all the years of setting outside and froze. Fortunately I had a spare pto gearbox off of a 'donor' tractor and I was able to replace it. Hoping to have some videos later this week. Now for the question: on the rear elevator, at the bottom sprocket, I'm curious if their's suppose to be a bearing on the end of the shaft? If not a "wood block"? The shaft kinda wobbles when you're running the machine

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Glad to hear that you're making progress. It looks like you have what's left of the outer bearing race so I'd say for sure there should be a bearing there. I have no idea what size other than to measure your shaft and pull out that race to get an OD.
 
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I would guess it was a bronze bushing. I think I would find a bushing that will slip fit on the shaft and press in the existing sleeve. Then drill and tap the new one for a grease zerk, and line the grease zerk up with the slot in the existing sleeve.
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Charlie has a good point. Usually when the bearing goes out, the ID is still stuck on the shaft.
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If I recall correctly, the elevator should come off the base unit for easier install and storage, pivoting where the shaft is circled in your picture.
Are there extra pieces welded in that area?
 




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Your missing the entire bearing assembly.  I will try to get some pictures of what it is supposed to look like.  I should have a spare.  Most bearings I these machines were grease able caged roller bearings.  They hold up amazing.

 
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Sounds great Jim! I will take a look in my manual tonight when I get home to see if I can see what I'm missing as well.
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Here you go.
 
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Was able to get the Corn Picker out and see if it actually worked. I had a pretty good size smile to say the least. Very small patch but no break downs and worked quite well. Hoping to pick a bigger patch next year and possible bring her to the Half Century of Progress



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Great going. Is that popcorn I hope for your mini rewards later.
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Success! Congratulations!!!

You have a rare bird! thanks so much for the pictures and taking us down the road to get the unit operational. Happy "Pickin and a grinning" !!!
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That’s AWESOME did you show it to the old fellow you got it from? Did his dad make it to see it run again? Great work!!!!
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