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mlpankey 
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 Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 9:50am |
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Seatin here typing with david headrick beside me . But I guess I just cant bring myself to pull a motor like his dad jim built and cousin cotton drove
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Hudsonator
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 10:07am |
[/QUOTE] Yeap I was there pulled in the same class. It pulls better than the flat top wc built like it with the edelbrock fourbarrel running a little further south than your dads. [/QUOTE]
You should have bought this tractor Pankey. Still can - then improve on it as you want to.
It could be improved upon (particularly the head & exhaust), we just never had to.
We've been out of the game so long, everybody has forgotten that tractor. Alot of the tech you mention would be better applied to this platform anyhow. I'd say you've spent 2x the money and effort on your 4 bangers to play in that class. I doubt any of you guys love a W-type Allis more than me, but they'll never be a 292-6. For that matter, neither will any of my flatheads.
Call Pap up, he'll probably deal with ya. He's all hipped up on building a turbo Super Jet Hudson coupe for the highway and probably wouldn't turn down a decent offer. Its doing nothing but vegetatin' in the barn - and won't be back out under any of our names.
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 10:23am |
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Thanks for the compliment, Dad is the architect/engineer due any credit - I was just a carb tuner.
The intake is an Offy. Those 292's are great sleepers ain't they? No matter the vehicle.
Jack was a case! A tru-blue Hudson Motor Co. fanatic - which is how I got to talk to him. I run one of his "cheater" intakes on a 308 powered Hudson Super Six coupe, the intake that got him banned from the NHRA - LOL. |
Funny how there is three of us on this forum that have ties to Jack Clifford, Steve (NJ) has rubbed elbows with him too. Jack isn't that well known in this day and age unless a person has fooled with Hudsons or Chevy 6 poppers,, and there isn't many of us around as you know.
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mlpankey
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 10:48am |
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I made him a offer on it a few years back . if its not stuck offer still stands . did he take the kirby szzle head off it?
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Hudsonator
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 10:54am |
Nope, not many of us left. That's why I run the "cheater" intake. It ain't the best by any stretch of the imagination - but I get to tell its story at car shows.
What Jack pulled off with Hudsons in the 60's was the equivalent of showing up to a gunfight with a stick - and winning with it. Pretty remarkable he kept those engines competitive well into the 70's, GM and Ford 6's into and beyond the 80's, and AMC 4.0 engines through the 90's until he died.
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Hudsonator
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 10:58am |
mlpankey wrote:
I made him a offer on it a few years back . if its not stuck offer still stands . did he take the kirby szzle head off it? |
It ain't stuck, he cranks it so often just to listen to it.
Nothing's been taken off, still got the Kirby&Sissel head. Its just not a lump port, which is what could be improved in my opinion.
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 11:09am |
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Talking Chevy 6 poppers and the name Sissel (pank szzel LOL) comes up. You must be talking about Kay Sissel right? Kay answered the phone out there when I fooled with such things but is gone now. Who is Kirby?
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Rod B
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 11:17am |
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Hopefully he takes your offer pank. That way you won't have to pretend to build them yourself like the Allis engines. Kinda got busted on that one.
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Hudsonator
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 11:37am |
Yep, Kay Sissel. The head on that tractor is a Sissel head. This is one of those early 194 heads worked up to suit him. Mike Kirby came along later and still runs Kay's shop (Sissel's Performance). The two of them came up with the lump port concept (which works fantastic). The head we've got could be turned into a lump port fairly easy.
Kay was still living when we bought the head, which has his own serial# in it. He still had the build sheet for it and told us all about it, as if he built it yesterday. It was orginally built for a drag-only chevy II like yours running a 292.
Its a hellava little engine - I wish somebody was doing something with it.
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mlpankey
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 4:27pm |
rod if i dont build them who does?
so the head doesnt have the floor of the intake runner brazed into a lump style port?
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Hudsonator
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 5:15pm |
mlpankey wrote:
so the head doesnt have the floor of the intake runner brazed into a lump style port? |
Nope, no lump. But it has as much of a lump type contour that could be shaped with the parent material. The bolt boss is gone and alot of work done in the bowls and approaches. Sissel knew what he was doing with what he had, no doubt about that.
The "lumps" can be bought fully shaped to simply weld in. The advantage of this head is that the additional contouring and material removal to accomodate the pre-formed lump is already done.
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mlpankey
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Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 5:22pm |
Hudsonator wrote:
mlpankey wrote:
so the head doesnt have the floor of the intake runner brazed into a lump style port? |
Nope, no lump. But it has as much of a lump type contour that could be shaped with the parent material. The bolt boss is gone and alot of work done in the bowls and approaches. Sissel knew what he was doing with what he had, no doubt about that.
The "lumps" can be bought fully shaped to simply weld in. The advantage of this head is that the additional contouring and material removal to accomodate the pre-formed lump is already done.
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yeah i just cant grasp tlowes bolted in lumps are as good as brazed but seeing would be believing . Cnc dude scott marshal in ringgold brazes them in and sends a bunch to brazill . Jim headrick and the bread man cotton perry davids is jims son and cottons cousin that i work with could get them running good enough to win the gatornationals
Edited by mlpankey - 08 Jan 2013 at 5:24pm
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Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 6:18pm |
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You. Guys argue all you want..........I still think this is ALL interesting!
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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