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    Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 10:01pm
Getting pretty tired of watching it rain. Chomping at the bit to get out and play with my tractors!

So, if I can't be out working with them, might as well be tinkering with them, and pasting pictures about them!

I bought this plow a while ago. I posted a thread about it looking for info, and I was amazed how people on here could tell the share wouldn't suck in just from a picture.



Well, I tried it out, and sure enough, my plow didn't suck. (Bitter irony)

Dad told me that he used to take his shares into town to a shop to get them reworked. So did his Dad. The shop is still there, so I took the share off, and Pa took it in for me. The grand-step-son runs the shop now, looks like he learned the trade pretty well, this thing looks wicked!



Tried it out, that puppy will sink as far as you let it now! I had the depth set all the way down, went across the entire field with the front end of the B off the ground. Had to readjust things to get it plowing nice.



Well, time marches on. Bigger is better, right? Pretty soon, found this on Craigslist. Can't let this go to scrap, fits just right behind the WC.



It plowed OK, but I think these shares could use the same treatment.





Went up to Pa's today, pulled the plow into the shed and popped the shares off. The wheels for drawing the shares tight are frozen, but otherwise, I am always amazed at how well this old iron comes apart. I just took the whole J bolt and pivot assembly off, I can take them to work and heat them up to get them apart without twisting them off.

This plow is probably what, 80 years old? And the bolts came off with a crescent wrench. I have been told the reason this stuff comes apart is because of "virgin" metal.




Anyways, this plow has two different shares on it. One says Allis on it, the other says Star Mfg. Co. on it.







The Star one is actually 1" longer than the Allis one. Pa is going to take them in this week, I told him to see if they can tack on an inch so they match.

When it dries up around here, I will get to test them out.

Thanks for looking!











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Often Allis offered wide or narrow shares and plain suck and deep suck for the same plow bottom and sometimes in three different materials, chilled iron (best for wear but shatters on rocks), soft center steel (wears out fastest but doesn't break when it hits rocks) and hard all the way through steel (wears good, but more likely to break on hitting a boulder).

In the WD52 and WD53 plow book that I looked through before posting its link this morning there was a page or two on adjusting the shapes of plow shares.

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Pretty interesting. I Thought about getting some of my older ones done two but didn't know where to take them anymore or if the newer style shares could be refaced vs the older blacksmith shares.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac hunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2017 at 7:39am
     Just wondering if the fellow that reworked the shares had factory points and edges to weld onto the old shares or made them from something else. My father had a welding repair shop and he reworked a lot of those old style shares back in the40's and 50's; I remember times he would have maybe 3-4 dozen in groups according to who owned them lying around on the floor of the shop. He got factory replacement edges and points made by the Wiese Co. If I remember correctly the points and edges came separately in boxes of 12. Seems like the last of the ones he did for hobby farmers he couldn't get the factory parts any longer and used a piece of leaf spring for the point and an old grader blade edge for the edge.   
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Not many around anymore that know how to do that.  Our old blacksmith did up a bunch for our tractor club about 10 years ago, he still had some of the new points but used them all.  He is still around but his son took over the shop and he doesn't want to do them anymore.  He used to have many sets around on the floor like said earlier when everyone used them.
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WOW!  Those are really nice Ryan!Either one of them say "La Crosse" on them somewhere?
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 Thanks for sharing. Nice to see pictures of people working on equipment. I to I'm getting tired of the rain, wind and just cold weather. I think it's May 1st but sure don't feel like it. You're lucky to have someone near you that can fix the shares. Don't know any where around here that would want to do it. My dad worked for Star Mfg. in Freeport IL for some time. They have gone out of business now. When they were open I called them to see if I could get any Allis plow shares and they told me that all the tooling had been scrapped years ago. It's getting harder to find parts for most the Allis equipment anymore.
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My grandpa was a blacksmith I still remember him heating the plow shares in the forge and pounding them out on the little giant trip hammer all the equipmemt was sold when he died in 1974. People would come from miles away to have him sharpen shares he was good at it. I have looked for new points for shares but haven't been able to find any.
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On the dairy in Upstate NY, we were lucky to have a local gentleman that ran around the valley in a 64 Ford one ton and this fella could do everything including engine block cracks in-place. Handy fella that had to be pushing 75 years old in the mid 70's and every few years my dad would have him up to "rebuild" the points on our Kverneland(s) heavy 3-bottoms. Remember he always had a big cheek full of "OhBeJoyful" tobacco and kept the cardboard from boxes of tobacco he bought behind the seat in that old truck for making templates.
Layed out the points after asking how aggressive you wanted them and discussing soils, rocks, etc. Traced them out of cardboard and went to work. Knew plows well, all brands and what he made lasted well.
Those Kverneland plows were nearly new, came from an auction and a farmer we knew also bought a 4020 at the same auction and offered to bring them by our place when he drove the JD home. Rolled the JD a few miles from our place and the only thing that saved him was those plows as they hung up on a tree keeping him from rolling the JD completely over. Dealer said "junk em, they are sprung and will never plow right".
That old timer sorted them and we ran em' nearly ten years until the farm sold.
Those old craftsmen are getting harder to come by these days.
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I work with a guy that doss quite a bit of blacksmithing. Talking to him last night I brought up plow shares. He said he has only worked on one but is interested and wants to do more. I'm going to dig out some of my old worn out ones and get them to him to learn on. I have some great candidates for rebuild, one that was rebuilt and not used to death and one new one.

I think he would be interested in doing more once he gets the whole process figured out. Will try to keep this updated as we make progress on this as keeping these old Allis plows going isn't easy.
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Tim what happened to roll the 4020 ?
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As my Dad said at the time, problem was between the steering wheel and the seat. Very steep gulley's in that area and he lived about five farms over so we assumed he did not know the grade was that steep and had a turn at the bottom. Scared the hell out of him and the town had to come out with a big Michigan loader to unwind him off that tree.
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Tim
thanks for sharing a neat story about a smart man who knows his stuff! Gosh those guys just don't grow on trees, and I look up to them big time. I had never heard of a Kverneland plow. So I seached for an image...did it look like this?



Around our parts when I was growing up in SE Iowa people had Oliver and John Deere and Allis plows, some of those Little Wonders by Farmall too.
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Originally posted by TimNearFortWorth TimNearFortWorth wrote:

On the dairy in Upstate NY, we were lucky to have a local gentleman that ran around the valley in a 64 Ford one ton and this fella could do everything including engine block cracks in-place. Handy fella that had to be pushing 75 years old in the mid 70's and every few years my dad would have him up to "rebuild" the points on our Kverneland(s) heavy 3-bottoms. Remember he always had a big cheek full of "OhBeJoyful" tobacco and kept the cardboard from boxes of tobacco he bought behind the seat in that old truck for making templates.
Layed out the points after asking how aggressive you wanted them and discussing soils, rocks, etc. Traced them out of cardboard and went to work. Knew plows well, all brands and what he made lasted well.
Those Kverneland plows were nearly new, came from an auction and a farmer we knew also bought a 4020 at the same auction and offered to bring them by our place when he drove the JD home. Rolled the JD a few miles from our place and the only thing that saved him was those plows as they hung up on a tree keeping him from rolling the JD completely over. Dealer said "junk em, they are sprung and will never plow right".
That old timer sorted them and we ran em' nearly ten years until the farm sold.
Those old craftsmen are getting harder to come by these days.
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Can't remember the company, but a few years ago someone was selling hardened edges and points to weld onto old shares. Anyone know if they are still available? Lot of AC plow shares (especially left handed ones) are no longer available.
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Oh and LittleMarv,
Thanks for sharing about your plows! Very interesting indeed.
I look forward to seeing and reading more.
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ivan had a Kverneland plow something like that in the pic above a few years ago. A 5 bottom I think. I don't know if it was exactly like that, but I do remember the leaf spring arrangements, and supposedly it had allis bottoms on it.
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Well, $50 later, here we go.



Freed up the adjusters and reassembled.





Took a few passes, but I got it dialed in pretty good.



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SWEET! Nice to see that old style plow working so well. Have you tried it behind the WC?
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I pulled it with the WC last fall. Worked pretty good, I'm sure it will work even better with the shares reworked.

The WC is actually kind of on hold. While I was plowing, the gorilla tape holding the tube in the tire let go and POTCH! I fertilized a portion of the field with calcium chloride.



Luckily, I had a spare set of tires on hand. The only problem is I now have one good 24" tire, and one good 28" tire on the tractor. They are pretty close in overall height, but I don't really want to work it hard with mismatched tires. So, I am saving up to but a matched set of rear tires AND paint the WC at the same time. Cha Ching!
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Little Marv it is hard to tell but with the single bottom I think you need to adjust the coulter so that it runs about an inch to the left of the leading edge of the moldboard. That will allow for a clean cut and breakawy of the furrow slice. The depth looks about right. Also I wonder if your landside is worn out too, which might let the plow "dog-track" and not cut the full furrow slice. It sorta looks as if the plow is "crabbing" to the left now.

And there are many of the guys using old leaf springs for the points, by just welding them on top of the share. It's practically impossible to find the points and blade repair parts anymore.
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That picture is a little deceiving. Its taken at a bit of an angle. The plow pulls real nice, but I could try and move the coulters over and see if they cut cleaner. Thanks!
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