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REEDE
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Topic: "Restoraion" rantPosted: 24 Aug 2011 at 8:17pm |
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Restoration has many ideas to people. If they paint it push broom and they are happy so be it at least they tried. If they made it look better than showroom great. Not everyone has the money,time or resourses to do a perfect job. The kids tried their best give them credit.
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shattercane
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Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 12:35pm |
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As a Blue coat alum, I will have to say that when I was working on my tractors, my interest was split six ways to Sunday. I had land judging with homesite evaluation, Industrial Arts (Wood Shop), Sports, and all of my other studies to consider every day. Which is why I am now going back through the tractors I restored 15 years ago due to runs in the paint, leaks, dents in the tin work, and poor decal application. There were kids who weren't participating in all of the above that did a lot better job than what I did, but it left me with three tractors that ran good enough to fire up at the various shows we attended. Now I have some fixer upers in my shed again. I understand where you are coming from as it looks like a lack of attention to detail, but it could also be a lack of time in the day for that individual.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 8:59pm |
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My basic rule is, do it the way you want to, but it better be what you say it is. If you like it in work clothes, no problem, if you can't afford a complete restore, but put "some" stuff on it, no problem, but if you tell me it is a factory showroom restoration, it better be, and you better not mind me discussing correctness with you. If you tell me, you tried hard to get it as close as possible, you probably won't hear much but kind words from me, but don't brag, and claim, or I will find problems. If it truely is, a factory showroom restore, then be proud of it. It's just a matter of perpsective, and what you are "claiming"
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1946WP
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 7:45pm |
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RESTORED, REFERBISHED, OR JUST FIXED UP, BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. MY TRACTORS ARE NOT ALL TAKEN DOWN TO EVERY BOLT AND RESTORED, BUT I STILL LIKE TO SHOW THEM & ENJOY TALKING ABOUT THEM . RESTORED??? I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM CAME FROM THE FACTORY WITH THE EXPENSIVE PAINT JOBS THESE RESTORED ONES HAVE. I LOVE THEM ALL .
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VerneM
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 6:53pm |
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I love seeing the restored tractors at the fair. Rather than critiquing, I see more opportunity to educate and share my knowledge with the young ones. Sometimes they can educate me and sometimes I can educate them.
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jccleav
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 5:41pm |
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I am not the best at any of the restore thing. That being said, In my mind there is no reason to be painting over dirt, grease, or other loose debris. A trip to the car wash and $20 does wonders. I understand the tractors not being "Show" condition. I did like seeing orange in the sea of red and green.
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Dipstick In
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 5:13pm |
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I think it was three years ago that the Jasper Co. Retired Iron Club(In) bought a tractor at our annual auction and donated it to the Rensselaer FFA Chapter to redo and sell in our next years sale. Sale proceeds after costs went to the Chapter.Some of the members donated time, and parts, but due to class time constraints the tractor was not immaculate. It sold the next year but the return was not good enough and the other advisors weren't very interested so It was a project that we dropped. Ya never know till you try!
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AaronSEIA
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 4:39pm |
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My last post on the topics, I promise. Looking back, I should have never posted what I did the way I did. It was petty and critical of me to post about an FFA students tractor as a rant. If I had the parts to donate or knew of a way I could help, I promise I would. My wife and I have bent over backward to help 4H kids with their horse projects. I spent 6 years on the committe that ran the county fair show. My issue with the tractor should have been expressed as an opinion. Opinions are like elbows...everyone has a couple. My opinion was and remains the same. I wouldn't paint it untill it was right. Not knowing why it wasn't made right should have made it impossible for me to beat up on a high school kid and the organization that helped that individual get that tractor to the fair. Maybe as collectors we should all go find an FFA chapter or county 4H to make them aware that we would love to help in any way we can keep the old iron running and looking good. No animated rodents here, just a humble appology.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 4:02pm |
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Sounds like this is starting down the political road.
Rememder who pays them teachers. What do you think RickUP? I'm out of here. Color me gone. Grab my stick and get the puck outta here. See ya later alligator. |
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bill2260
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 2:49pm |
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Maybe the student and ffa adisor are, lets say, frugal. Around here they either hire dimwits that know nothing or over achievers that plowed a wide swath and went broke farming as high school ag teachers. Common sense and the the value of a dollar means nothing anymore, Bill
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 2:40pm |
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Yea!!!
But they complain when you scrap one and they complain when you paint one. Walters
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hermin's dad
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 1:28pm |
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Seems to me that all the lamenting about tractors and such going to the scrappers we should all be glad that even a bad restoration is preferable to that.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 1:05pm |
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Two things those kids don't have at their disposal, that we usually do:
Time Money Patience Tools Insanity Uh... yeah, that's two, right? Some guys don't do paint well. I'm one of 'em... don't hand me a drywall knife- I'm lousy at that too... good thing tractors ain't finished with drywall mud. Now... field-mud... I can spread that all over a tractor nicely... and gravel dust... and axle grease... |
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 12:56pm |
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Boogerowen, I don't have an attitude problem.
I'm just NUTS!!!!
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 12:54pm |
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I love my little dumpling!!!
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Dipstick In
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 12:49pm |
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Yeh! and if you notice he's a philanderer. Now he's cheating on his first love with sweet little dumpling! Ar least he's not in the closet about it!
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Boogerowen
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:46am |
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Well, it is quite apparent to me that Jeff Z. NY has an "attitude" problem that he is having trouble dealing with, let's all pray for him.....
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:15am |
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When I said Get It that was not ment towards you Fred.
It was for the "Correct Police". Oops I did it again. Said police in the wrong forum. Should have posted in the political section because the police are funded by taxpayer dollars as RickUP might say and that makes it political.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:08am |
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Right Fred, There just tractors.
Get it??? Just a tractor. Did I say there just tractors. LOL
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 8:33am |
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Well, they did better than two of my HS classmates who drove tractors into the shop as juniors and HAULED them out just before graduation, LOL.
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 7:49am |
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DO NOT SWEAT THE SMALL THINGS in LIFE .You will feel better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see this at almost every show I go to ,IT's WHAT IT IS !!! LOL
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 1:03am |
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Don't forget High Schoolers are on their parent(s)' dime. Donations or not, much of the funds needed ultimately come from their parents. Getting a job is harder today whether you're 60, 30 or 15, and the demands placed on students to be involved in multiple activities, above average classes, and maintain good grades, plus chores at home (city folks have "chores" too, I've learned from my wife) leave little time for work or sleep. Some parents can't or won't shell out money for every thing the child does, especially if they do not have interest in the child's project.
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jccleav
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 10:59pm |
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I looked at that tractor. The thing that jumped out at me was the rear wheels. It looks like they were painted without any prep work done.
I posted pictures. |
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 10:47pm |
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They say its the thought that counts. I can't guarantee my allis will be perfect but after putting four years of work into it, I'm happy to see it done. If I don't like it ten years from now I can redo it and do a better job on it. Even if it looks pretty shotty now, someday down the road they might see it and want to make it look better than it is. If it has been repainted in its life and has brush marks, runs, to me its not original so I would like to redo them. if they are truly original, I want to keep them that way unless there isn't any color except brown
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:24am |
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Back when I was in high school, our FFA restored a '36 John Deere A. We took shortcuts and did a lot of things I never, ever would have done with my own tractors, but if we hadn't I don't think we would have finished it by the end of the school year. All of us learned a lot (including the instructor; it was his first time too) and had a ton of fun working on it. I'm an AC guy, but I'd still jump at the chance to fix up an old 2-cylinder if I found one I could afford.
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:17am |
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Aron, I understand your comment. Maybe instead of claiming to be restored it should be listed as reworked. As a "blue jacket" junior, I took first place with a shop-built 4 wheel wagon in the mechanics division at the local fair. It was built hell for stout and looked good. Made every cut and weld myself. Couple days before the fair and it still needs primed and painted, running out of time, I put a little body filler in a few spots instead of grinding, "That's good enough". A day after the ribbons were handed out I noticed someone had scratched the paint off to reveal the putty. At the time I thought "what a jerk" but in the long run I'm glad he did. I felt like I betrayed the instructor,(wasn't his fault) and I realized I could have done a much better job of "finishing" the project. I have lots of respect for the FFA and 4-H, was a long time member of both, but if we don't point out mistakes to the kids, they will think, "Oh that's good enough". I tell my kids now, if your happy with a "B" then you will never get and "A". You should always be trying to do things to the best of your ability. If we don't push our youth who will?
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:11am |
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I don't take mine either.
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 9:07am |
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In my world of tractors, a tractor never is finished.I can always find something else that needs to be done , or can be done to improve it. But there comes a point in time when I just say "It's done enough for now." Although I don't have any tractors that are show pieces, (and I wouldn't take em to a show even if they were) I'm sure that at there first show, they would be somewhat "not quite done", but they would get back in the shop at a later date and get tinkered on some more. It's a never ending process and gives me something to look forward to. Suppose that maybe this kids think a little like that? Darrel
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 8:37am |
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I would not assume the student could afford the parts. This may be an oppertunity for you to donate those parts for his tractor and then discuss other restoration items or just talk AC.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 8:17am |
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How right you are.
I like all of mine with original paint and rust. Other people's comments are a good source of entertainment. |
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