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    Posted: 02 Jan 2011 at 7:38pm
I'm new to this forum. But love most anything related to Allis Chalmers. My question is should I run premium gas all the time in my 49 B. It does not seem to  "mind" the regular stuff . Just curious  what everyone else runs. I do add some  stabil additive cause my B  may sit for in its shed for months .Thanks for your  advice. 
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Regular should be just fine. The only reason i ever put premium in is because around here you can't get regular without ethanol in it. I don't like leaving ethanol in if its not going to get used for a while.
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I use 89 because it doesn't contain the ethanol like the 87 does.  93 is over kill in my opinion.
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The higher the octane, the lower the btu's per pound, although small.  The only reason that you need higher octane is if you have detonation due to high compression ratio.  Your B should only have about 6 to 1 compression ratio.  Regular gas should be good up to a minimum of 8.5 to 1 and even higher depending on combustion chamber design, valves, piston shape, cooling, and head material. 

Be careful about higher octane fuels not having ethanol.  Around here in the midwest, all of it pretty much has 10 percent ethanol. 
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Thats what i thought all gas sold in MN has 10% or greater ethonol added except for Av-gas or some racing fuel .
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Actually, ethanol has a 100 0ctane rating. Ethanol will not bother the engine performance, but could dissolve some of the older rubber tubing etc in the fuel lines and literally gum up the works. I use the grade of gas between regular and premium. I believe the use of the so-called stabilizing wonder drugs is like whistling in the wind. 
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Around here (near the Boondocks) 87 octane fuel is unleaded, no ethanol. 89 is E10.

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I run AV gas in all my off road stuff. A friend told me ethanol turns to acid if left to long. Don't know if that is true but everything runs better for me.  I don't mind paying extra if it works.
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Ethanol doesn't turn to acid.  Its hygroscopic, meaning it attracts and absorbs water, almost its entire weight which is both a good thing and a bad thing. 

There is ALWAYS water in fuel.  For years, people in the snowbelt have used HEET to deice fuel,  its ethanol.  If you use a tractor/vehicle regularly and refill the tank with some frequency, their is no harm(maybe a plus) in using fuel with ethanol.  The ethonol keeps the water in suspension and allows it to be run thought the engine with very little worry of slugging the carb. 

The problem comes to when you let it set.  In a tractors fuel system, which is vented to air, moisture laden air is brought into the tank with every cooling cycle (at night).  The alcohol absorbs it.  After it absorbs so much it starts to settle and separate from the gasoline. (Phase separation)  After it absorbs its own weight in water, it still attracts water but can not hold anymore and separates into a water layer on bottom, then alcohol, then gasoline.  The water then slugs the fuel system(crappy running) and rust the tank if its steel. Some rubbers are affected but fuel lines made in the last 20 years are formulated to resist it so I don't think it to much of a trouble as fuel lines should have been replaced by now anyways. 
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I only use regular 87 but drain it in the spring fill up with fresh and run the old stuff through my mower.
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Thanks for explaining the ethanol. I am still going to run the RV fuel in my stuff because it really does seem to run better. I don't farm so I really don't use that much. I won't tell my friend as I don't need an argument!
Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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My brother manages a cenex station, and he explained it to me exactly as firebrick put it, so I guess I go with that theory-if it's going to sit in a tank for any length of time, it had better not be ethanol. Darrel
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Premium gas (93 octane), whether with ethanol or not, burns slower than "regular" (87 octane) gas, which is why it helps to prevent knocks in some engines, usually large V-8's.
 
Since these old tractors, when new, could run just fine on "tractor fuel" (~ 65 octane) after warming up on gasoline, any modern gas will be just fine today as long as it is clean and "fresh".
 
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