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Reckon a B model would pull this ?

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Yes, most of the axles on the trailer were actually trunions, with 8 tires instead of 4, sorry about that !!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote junkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2011 at 8:09pm
Boogerowen, For the most of us we don't care about the stopping power of the truck verses a plane. I just think as many others that was one awesome picture let alone job. I would rather be setting in a cab like that then in a cockpit. And wow what gear selection. Boy how I love gears but that configuration would be insane. Thanks for posting the pics, for even my 12 year old boy thought they were awesome.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dad2many Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2011 at 9:16pm
I think with that amount of gear reduction and configuration, my B could pull it ;)
The initial roll would be the problem that whole inertia thing.
Just kidding. Thanks so much for sharing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2011 at 11:45pm
The hand brakes on my B would pose a bit of a problem, though.
If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 5:29am
Comparing aircraft vs. road tractor brakes, is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Two of my biggest clients, as an instructor on high-speed passenger rail equipment, was Knorr-Bremse/NYAB and Westinghouse Air Brake.  One of my buddies at KB was Marty, a very bright, and insightful systems engineer who did load proofs on all sorts of really neat braking/restraint systems.  I got to 'hang out' with him frequently (actually, talking tractors, motorcycles, music, 'n barbeque).  The rough numbers I put up, and the reaction I posted, were done totally within the framework of his proofs and demonstrations, but there's some important factors that one needs to know to doing such a comparison.  I won't burn up the forum explaining them all, but I'll point out a few little things about braking that may be worth a chuckle.

Friction braking systems convert mechanical energy into heat.  Generating braking force is only the 'side effect'... once converted to heat, brake disks and drums need to 'get rid' of the heat in order to effect a repeat application.  Aircraft don't make 'repeat applications'... but they do need to be aerodynamically considered, lest the landing gear present incredible drag and noise (they already do, but any drag reduction in LG greatly improves takeoff capacity, and improves approach stability).  Aircraft brakes transmit heat into the WHEELS... and the restraint calculations are actually done with the intention that, in a situation where reverse thrust is not available, a full emergency stop can occur.  Unfortunately, the performance envelope without RT, means that tire strain will result in failure.  The aircraft tire's job is a pretty extreme thing, so they assume the tire will fail, and they actually calculate and engineer the tire's failure point, and make the mix of loads result in tires that fail, explode, and strip off about 300' before the aircraft stops.

WHY?

'cause burning tires under an aircraft full of passengers ain't 'cool'.  ;-)

But the reason I responded as I did, above, is the basic fact that absorption of energy is a function of mass- the braking systems need to absorb thermal energy, and the mass of Booger's braking surfaces exceeds not only the 747's, it equates to about the same as the aircraft's landing gear.  There's good reason:  Aircraft don't descend mountains.  ;-)

Oh, and yes, when those big trucks apply brakes, it DOES result in reaction of the pavement... having it spread across a long surface helps reduce that load, but the shear action against pavement is high.  There's a really good reason for 'bridge laws' and combined axle load limits, axle spacings, and heavy haul permits- these guys (both the highway guys, and the rig designers) do LOTS of homework... and of course, the gear-grinder up in the cab has to know his stuff.  I bump elbows with heavy-haulers every day...  You don't drive something like that without being top-notch.

In the end, keep in mind that a brand new Dodge Challenger may have 400+hp under the hood, and awesome tires, limited slip... all fine and dandy.  Hitch it up to my 57hp D17... and see who wins.  ;-)

Actually... that'd be a great thing to have as a series of Youtube videos...  ALLIS B vs. Porsche Boxter...  Allis WC vs. Ferrari 308...

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Awww shucks, thanks for the kind words Dave, and I forgot to mention my "ace in the hole",
 
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wkpoor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 11:21am
747s may not descend mountains but semis aren't trying to stop over 900,000lb from over 120mph either so in a sense they are. And one Jac brake isn't going to make up for 4 large high bypass turbo fan engines in full reverse. And another factor that wasn't considered here is the carbon fiber brakes on the 747 that actually work better the hotter they get instead of the opposite on the semi.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 12:13pm
Red-  at least you'd have enough weight on the drawbar, so that you wouldn't hafta switch between hand brakes and steering wheel!!!

WK... I checked with a drag-racing gearhead buddy who works as a shop foreman at a major air transport shipping company in Memphis... the 747's high bypass rating is 30%, with the GE90's engine rated 60K, that puts 20K of reverse thrust down with a max burn time of 90 seconds (ample, considering they can't blast below 80kts).  Everything from 120 to 80k can be done with Rblast, everything from 80kts down is via friction only.  The 47's brakeset uses electrically-recooled carbon discs (as you noted) on aluminum spiders, connected to magnesium wheels equipped with fuse plugs (brass with lead inserts).

There are no brakes on the nosegear, only the 4 maingear bogeys (16 wheels) have friction braking.

Based on that, and performance comments from my two corporate jet pilots, it's pretty clear that the mathematics I ran were very conservative.  One of our pilots is a Class A CDL driver, too (he frequently transports our antique trucks to shows all over the US and Canada), he says it's a no-contest situation.

They all agree, however, that they wouldn't want to be within a mile of a 900,000lb road-rig travelling 120mph, nor would they want to be near a 747 travelling that speed on an interstate...  and they're not so sure they'd even want to drive Booger's rig that fast on a 10,000ft runway.  I certainly wouldn't.

But it would be fun to drive the back end... mebbie it was the Mickey Mouse and Goofy episodes (driving the back of the firetruck)...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wkpoor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 12:41pm
"Based on that, and performance comments from my two corporate jet pilots, it's pretty clear that the mathematics I ran were very conservative.  One of our pilots is a Class A CDL driver, too (he frequently transports our antique trucks to shows all over the US and Canada), he says it's a no-contest situation."

No contest in what direction?
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Ok, break! Let's all agree Booger's truck is an awesome piece of engineering/driving skill requirement. It's also cool when the aircraft captain opens the throttles up and it sets you back in the seat, and when he hauls it down on a landing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Boogerowen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 1:42pm
Well, since I am now retired and can't it would be impossible, but, I would really like to take wkpoor for just one little short trip, boy, would I ever open his eyes !!!
 
 
 
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