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Reckon a B model would pull this ?

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    Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 3:37pm
Now I know this is not anywhere Orange, but I thought some of you fellas might enjoy seeing what some of us older fellas used to do for a living. This is a generator that I loaded in Monterrey Mexico, and delivered to up-state New York. This picture was taken near Breezewood Pa as I was about to cross the Pa Pike, and was taken by one of my many escorts. All in all, I had 19 axles on the ground with 132 tires, gross weight a little over 900,000 pounds.
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WOW!! That is a load! Where in NY did you go with it.
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A little place called Rouses Point, as best I remember......
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 Did the back wheels just follow along are did the have some type of steering to get around them curves ?
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Second the rear steering question???  Dad saw a HUGE precast bridge girder leaving south Omaha one day.  Said the rear had a tractor frame and numerous axles, that they could steer around the corners.
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Here is the rest of it, sorry.....

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Hydraulic steering when turning corners, then it locks in place for regular travel, notice the fella on small platform steering the rear.....
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Thats weighs almost what a fully loaded 747 does. And it has way fewer axles and tires. And.......it goes alot faster hehehehe.
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BUT, I could stop a lot quicker, and didn't  have to go through those TSA checks...
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Boogerowen no TSA checks but I bet the DOT checks could sure raise the devil with you! LMBO!!
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It would probably shock you if you knew what the permits cost to move loads such as this, and believe it or not, the DOT really do not give you much trouble, in fact, they kinda leave you alone, for the most part....
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if I ever became a truck driver i wouldn't be able to stand heavy hauls like this. It takes a special breed for this stuff
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I saw a rig kinda like that once. An outfit out of Mn I think moved a 25,000 ton forge press from the railroad at Sterling wire mill to Illinois Forge about 4 or 5 miles. It took way longer to load and unload than to drive the 5 miles. They also had to have the bridge over the Rock River inspected before hand and closed to traffic while the load was on it. I have no idea what the press weighed but I doubt it was anywhere near that generator  in weight.
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No ooops allowed there eh?  Im sure backing up is not an option.


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As a matter of fact, it was possible to back the entire unit up in a straight line by locking the steering hydraulics, but it was still a tricky thing to do.
 
This trailer cost over a million dollars and was paid for after the second load that I moved with it. Maintinence was terribly expensive and tires only lasted a short time, figure that up if you want a shock...........(bout like tractor tires)
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What route was you routed on across PA? The reason I ask is back in the early 70's I took a crusher from Milwakee to N.Jersy and they routed me across route 30.
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Originally posted by Boogerowen Boogerowen wrote:

BUT, I could stop a lot quicker, and didn't  have to go through those TSA checks...

Bet you couldn't from the same speed. In fact from 60mph I guarantee you couldn't. I'll go one further and say the 747 could stop way faster from 120mph than you could from 60mph. And acceleration......well you can guess that one.
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Your guarantee would be no good WKPoor, at 60 mph I could actually stop faster than a 5 axle rig. Just think a minute about how much more braking power I had with 19 axles than a 5 axle rig, and a great number of those axles had multiple sets of brakes instead of only 2, as on a conventional 5 axle rig....
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But could the pavement stand locking up all 132 tires without buckling?

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You ca not lock the brakes with these new-fangled braking systems.....
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Originally posted by Boogerowen Boogerowen wrote:

Your guarantee would be no good WKPoor, at 60 mph I could actually stop faster than a 5 axle rig. Just think a minute about how much more braking power I had with 19 axles than a 5 axle rig, and a great number of those axles had multiple sets of brakes instead of only 2, as on a conventional 5 axle rig....

Your totally forgetting something besides all the pressure exerted on only a few tires compared to all the tires your rig has .......reverse thrust!
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You keep beating a dead horse to death, you probably need to stick to something you actually know something about, because you are bordering on calling me a liar, and I certainly do not appreciate it.
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If he has 17,000lbs of load on each axle, and a maximum tE of 15,000lbs, that means he can exert roughly 285,000lbs of braking thrust against a 900,000lb load... so a ratio of 3.15:1.

The 747-8's GE engines develop 66,000lbs each in forward thrust against a 960,000lb max takeoff weight.

Given that reverse thrust efficiency is somewhat less than forward, and the 747's landing distance is around 2100m... 6890 feet...  from 125mph...

I'm willing to bet that an empirical test would make Booger's load a definite challenger, particularly in repeating stops.  I'd like to run that test!
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Dave, what wkpoor was not thinking of was the fact that I had 50 sets of brakes, 42 on the trailer units, and 8 on my tractor, buddy, thats a-lot of brakes.....
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Let's stop fighting, and remember all the rules of work, and motion.
 
If drag, and weight were equal, it would take the exact same amount of force to stop both vehicles in the same distance assuming speed is the same!!!! 
 
In the truck example you are only using the friction of the brakes, in the airplane example you are using friction of the brakes and reverse engine thrust.
 
Each manufacture does deceleration differently, but both are designed for maximum stopping power, so I dought the distances would be all that different if both loads were able to run at 125mph.
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You know, My favorite can do a lot of things.  But pull that.  Even I don't think so.
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I think we might be getting just a weeeeee bit to serious now. I think it is fun to make impossible comparisons. You mentioned that the rig weighted 900,000lbs and I got to thinking about the fact that a 747 flys heavier than that. And then it moved on to breaking. I am an A&P and with my knowledge of aircraft brakes and braking systems tells me there is little chance a truck of similar weight could stop as quick and then there is reverse thrust which pretty much makes it a done deal, especially if they were both starting at 60mph, the plane could stop quicker. Number of axles and brakes has absolutely nothing to do with this comparison. And nobody is accusing anybody of anything.
One 747 brake might  have the ability to absorb as much energy as 50 semi brakes and the 747 has more than 1.
 
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First off, thank you for posting the pictures.  I love seeing this kind of real world engineering and problem solving.
 
Second, and I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but I'm confused by the number or axles and tires you said the rig had.  Do some of the load axles have more than four tires per axle?
 
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Brand of truck, eng hp, drive ratio, transmission etc.pulling the float.
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O.K. WD45 here goes, briefly, Kenworth tractor powered by 600hp Caterpillar in front of a Fuller 18spd deep-reduction tranny, in front of a 3spd Brown-lipe aux tranny, with 2spd 48000 rears, giving this tractor a multitude of forward speeds, 40 some odd to be exact, depending on how you selected them. These tractors were built special and had double frames, making them very heavy and the light-weight (tare) without any chains, binders, tarps and so forth was about 38000lbs.

 
 
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