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Originally posted by WF owner WF owner wrote:

At 250,000 miles or above, most people don't care if an engine is rebuildable. The cost would be way more than the vehicle is worth. We all know what it costs to rebuild a very basic four-cylinder tractor engine.

My point is that the electronics have vastly increased fuel mileage and have increased engine longevity. There is no more choke sticking and washing down the cylinder walls, no more timing issues that resulted in piston damage and other out of adjustment things that destroyed engines.

I don't think there are very many that want to go back to the days when engines were completely manually tuned. In some ways, the EPA standards that we all complained about, have resulted in positive things.

When we speak of diesels, my first diesel truck was a 1999 Ford (International) Powerstroke 7.3 that I bought new in 1998 (they were introduced early). IIRC, it was 444 cubic inches, horsepower was around 225 and somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 ft. lbs. of torque. Driving solo, I got about 13 mpg. We towed a 9800 lb. fifth wheel and got about 10 mpg. towing.

I now have a 2021 6.7 Powerstroke. It is 450 horsepower and 1050 ft. lbs. of torque. We now have a 16,800 lbs. fifth wheel and we get 11 mpg towing and easily 18 - 20 mpg solo. The difference in power from the 1999 to the 2021 one is amazing! I had four new Powerstroke diesels after the 1999 before the 2021 and each one was a step up in power and fuel mileage.

 
This thread has gotten WAAAY off topic. But if you want to brag on your power jokes, let's compare it to my 1989 Dodge/Cummins. NO COMPUTER or electronic controlled ANYTHING except alternator. It will get 30MPG hyway as an empty pickup with two people riding along and 20+ city. 

 Then when you start towing, I can gross at close to 21,000 hauling tractors and if driven the way it wants to run it rarely goes lass than 17 MPG and has done this for over 350,000 miles. 

  Are you still going to be bragging about your newest electronic joke when your sitting on the side of a New York washboard road in the middle of winter when it's dead because a bad sensor.

  Last summer while returning from a pull, interstate 81 was backed up for  nearly 6 miles because a TT just stopped in the road because of something electronic in something fouled up. Rarely can I not get my KISS vehicles to limp home somehow.
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I have never seen ANY full size truck get 30 mpg and you can't tow 21,000 lbs. on any 2500 or 3500 1989 truck without being WAY over the vehicle's GVWR.

Paul. I've said it before. Most of us don't want to go back to the 1980's. If you want to drive a 1989 truck that's fine. Most of us want to be able to get home without having to work on our truck.
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