New to me B
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Topic: New to me B
Posted By: Charlie175
Subject: New to me B
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 7:32pm
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I picked up a 1948 B yesterday, looked to be in pretty good condition, drives good, no noise in the transmission or rear end and everything works (so far). I need to get a few items: Muffler (I assume it is the newer style) Brakes Radiator Cap Shifter Boot Seat The mower is all there and came with 4 extra sickles and a box full of guards and knives. Most of the sickle balls have been welded so that looks like a weak area. Not sure if I am going to keep the mower, don't have a real use for it, but it would be neat for display. Got original manuals for Mower and Tractor and I will be the 3rd owner. Original owner died and left farm to the grand kids who left it sit in a shed for a few years until I found it. Cleaned the old gas out, put new battery in it and it fired up. Need to clean the carb out though, but I am happy. Be prepared for a lot of B questions!    ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 7:33pm
Few more    ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 7:36pm
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What is the Horizontal Bar in Front of the rear Pulley for?
------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 7:37pm
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Also it has no shutters, was that an option?
------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:11pm
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and rear wheel weights!!
--mine does not have the bottom pulley guard in the back.
--mine does not have the hitch plate behind the drawbar-- nice
--hydraulic cylinder and rock shaft-- its not connected to mower lift is it? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:30pm
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Nice ASAE drawbar!
You got all the correct mounting pieces for the sickle bar mower.
Good original looking B.
A+ for you!
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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:33pm
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Wow! Talk about original condition!! Wonder when that oil filter was last changed???? Nice looking B - have fun with it. There must be someone with some roadside or ditch that needs mowing every now and then.....that looks like too much fun to not play with. ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:36pm
| Well done! It looks like a very complete B/C mower, with the mounting wedges, hydraulic lift link, lower guard, correct drive pulley, and drawbar turnbuckles. And a clean looking B too! (In case you can't tell, I'm an implement junkie...) Ya done good, pilgrim! |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:37pm
| You should be very happy! That B looks pretty near original. Even has an AC oil filter. (hope that's not original on tractor, LOL.) Looks like all of the sickle mower is there also. If you wanted to get rid of the mower, i'm sure somebody on here would be glad to have it. |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:37pm
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Are those 'inside' front wheel weights ?
If so are probably very rare.
Gary
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 8:42pm
| Are those inner front wheel weights? Yep, you have the drawbar piece, set of the older style rear wheel weights, good sickle bar mower, and an old style oil filter. Do not throw that one out when you change the oil!! New Old Stock oil filters like that go for big bucks to collectors! I would check everything out and change fluids and give her a bath and leave it just like she is. Beautiful little B. Thanks for sharing. Wish mine looked that nice. |
Posted By: Greg (Hillsboro, OH)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 9:04pm
| I don't believe any of the B's had radiator shutters. |
Posted By: ron nca
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 9:33pm
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Try Tony Carbaugh on this site . He should have every thing you need
an yes they did have shutters
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 9:35pm
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Can we make a believer out of Greg if we all tell him Bs after 43301 and up had shutters. Somebody didn't think this B needed them and took them out. They left a empty hole in the radiator shell where the crank stuck out.
Nice straight B by the looks of it. Nice to see one thats not all cobbled up.
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 9:46pm
| That hood has a small hole for a correct under hood muffler. I think Bs that age with mufflers above the hood make em look like Farmalls. |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2010 at 9:56pm
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1. GREAT!!! original condition!!!! I can only hope to find one like that some day. I wouldn't change a thing! I LOVE seeing them that way, right out of the barn. My opinion: don't restore it and leave it as-is. But, thats just my opinion. Its your tractor. 2. Great ASAE Drawbar! Thought I was one of the few that had one, I guess they really do exist elseware! 3. Look around the farm where you got it a little more!!!! Theres a plow hiding out there somewhere!!!!! You have the depth control lever which was most always left on the tractor...It's gotta be there somewhere if it came from the original owner... 4. The B's DID HAVE RADIATOR SHUTTERS!!! Mine does and I know it for a fact that it was original. They were an option. 5. Nice tail light there too, you don't see them too often! This thing looks like it was ours before we restored it. Ours was repainted over the years and didn't look in this good of an original condition, so we decided to restore it, but you have basicly everything we had, with the normal ware-out of the shifter boot, brakes, etc. You sure you didn't go back in time and steal our tractor? LOL. Not often you find them with that many "goodies" such as the mower and all its original mounting hardware, the ASAE drawbar, the plow depth lever, the weights, and lights. GREAT FIND!!!!
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 4:53am
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I asked the guy about the Oil Filter and he said there was a box of them somewhere in the shop and he is going to call me if he finds them. OK, so the hole is for a Under-the-hood muffler, I can source that. I guess I need to go back and dig around the buildings to see if I can find some more stuff, the Rock shaft has been used so there is something out there hopefully that was hooked to it. The guy said he only ever remembers the mower on it and they ran the No. 6 Hammer Mill with it. It has a hole in the shroud for the shutters but I can't see that they were ever there. Yes they are inside weights, I doubt they weigh much but I have never seen them before. The Ram is connected to the mower, looks like you can use the hand lever or the ram but I need to look at it more. The rock shaft is not connected. Brett the tractor came from Front Royal so it was close to you! ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 7:05am
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"Brett the tractor came from Front Royal so it was close to you!" I figured as much! It was probably originally sold by Louderback Implement. The front weights appear to be of the homemade "concrete cast in place" type. Originals would be the AM3199 weights as shown on Brian Ahart's A-C Weight I.D. page. If the mower lift link is properly installed, it should be connected to the rockshaft at the same lever that the ram is pinned to. Also, as you mention, you should be able to use either the hydraulic lift or the "live lift" (hand lever) interchangeably, although the hand lift will limit the travel of the mower if it is not moved to the full forward position. |
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 7:09am
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A case of NOS oil filters????!!?? Please save those - I know that there are folks on here who would love to get their hands on a couple of those filters....like me! ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: Bruce Mn.
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 8:24am
| hey thats a honey charlie, maybe the rockshaft (lift bar) was used to pull the hitch pin you have a real nice B with all the goodies. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 6:39pm
If they are homemade, someone did a great job on them! They are metal, not concrete ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 8:24pm
| Are they lead? The unpainted spots have that silver/grey color about them. I agree, they do look really nice to be homemade. |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2010 at 10:23pm
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Congratulations on obtaining an outstanding B. I cannot believe there is an original B, with a sickle bar mower in such excellent condition with mower sections, blades, and guards. Also, perhaps a box of new original Allis Chalmers oil filters. As said above be certain to take another careful look around the farm for any additional implements that may fit the tractor.
I cannot tell you how good it feels to see my favorate in such excellent shape and in such capable hands. Don't hesitate to ask any questions you have. Everyone here will be most happy to respond.
You know, I think I knew of the dealer who originally sold this unit. I do believe I drove there to pick up some Allis Chalmers equipment to sell.
Keep in touch. I will be happy to hear your progress.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: Mike(SEIN)
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 7:36am
| Wow,what a find, I would not restore a really nice original like this.You can see in the first and third pics bolt heads on the outside of the front wheels where the inside weights are bolted on. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 8:11am
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What would be the easiest way to check to see if they are lead? I'm almost tempted to remove a wheel to take a weight off to look at the other side. Bill, it is most likely that it came from Louderback Implement Sales in Stanley, or Grove Hill. I'll check with them and see if they have any kind of records. Nice to know the history. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: John Updyke, Sr.
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 12:43pm
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You've got a beauty there. I have completely restored a 1947 just like it. It was necessary for me to make a new swath board and pitman arm which I did and finished them natural. It makes a nice looking rig and gets smiles at the local parades.
------------- 1947 "B" w/ sickle bar. Complete restoration in 2006. 1948 "G" Complete restoration 2012 |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 1:29pm
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Charlie, I don't think the wheel will separate from the hub or the weight. Looks to me like the metal was cast in place because the weight bolts aren't straight with their holes and those bolts don't go through the weights. All the inside wheel weights I've seen are either two piece and fit close to the hub or are single piece with the center hole large enough to pass over the hub. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 2:23pm
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See if a magnet will stick to those front weights. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 2:48pm
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Ifin it's lead, you can shave it real easy with a pocket knife.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 5:30pm
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Homemade Front wheel weights???
This is purely speculative and may be way off from what we can see in the photos. Could the metal we see be the bottom of a shallow galvanized or aluminum pan poured full of concrete. Bolts are set in the cement before it hardens to attach the weights to holes drilled in the wheel. A metal form like that with a donut hole in the center would not to difficult to build from a right sized shallow pan. It wouldn't increase front weight very much if it was made of concrete.
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 9:23pm
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As the guys said, that is a nice straight original B model with some nice optional features to it. Good luck with it and have fun. Never saw inside front wheel wieghts like that. Pretty interesting looking piece. Steve@B&B |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2010 at 6:47pm
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I looked more closely and they are poured metal or Lead. On the back it is smooth and formed, looking from the outside through the rim openings it is rough and chunky like someone broke the metal off as it was cooling.
------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |