Honda vs Kohler
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Topic: Honda vs Kohler
Posted By: BStone
Subject: Honda vs Kohler
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2014 at 6:57pm
| Going to have to have a new engine for my grasshopper mower.Has a 25hp kohler but about a thousand hrs is all many people are getting out of these.Wanting to try a Honda but not for sure.Most of them doesn't have the snorkel type air cleaner element.Anyone had any experience with the 24hp honda? |
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Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 6:53am
| Sorry I can't help, but I have a 718K I need to repower this winter and I would like to use a Honda. Keep us posted if you find any help on this repower. Dave. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 7:19am
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Only problem I have with the twin Kohler Command engines is they use a lot of fuel as compared to a Honda or Kawasaki when doing same work. Depending on your usage that can mean a lot, or virtually nothing. Early on there was some valve sticking troubles with the larger Honda twins and the official dope from Honda was it came from inadequate cooling during part throttle operation. Fix was run wide open at all times when loaded to any degree. Kawasaki had some valve problems too early on. Kohlers will munch their plastic governor gear with drastic results. Personally I would install which ever brand of those three I could get the best deal on and not look back.
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 12:24pm
| we sell briggs honda and kohler i would shy away from kawasaki because of lack of support and parts availability i would purchase the one that you can best match up your crankshaft dimensions and exhust systems also what ever brand that your local mower shop can best support what you purchase |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 9:35pm
| After talking with Small Engine Warehouse today it looks like I might stay with a kohler.Their man said that the hondas' were positive ground and had to be rewired to make the alt. work.Then there is the problem of having a drive shaft on one end of the crank and belts on the other end.Can be done but would have to have a stub mount to fit the honda engine as theres a difference in length.The honda g690 is $500 cheaper than the kohler and the kohler doesn't come with a muffler.If it was a garden tractor and your only using one end of the crank shaft it would be much simpler. |
Posted By: Ethan Souerdike
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 9:52pm
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I don't know much about engines, but it has been my understanding that the Kohler engines are really good. ------------- Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are sexy. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 10:21pm
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I replaced the Kohler with a Honda V engine , lot better unit and as far as electric I am running mine Neg ground and it works fine . I had to make the adapter for flywheel side to connect to hydrostatic drive input shaft but made a aluminum adapter and used U joints to get right angle . works fine . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 5:56am
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Coke-in-MN wrote:Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 7:17am
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I have an old "HT" series Honda rider (13HP) that I use around the property. I gotta' admit, fuel consumption is the least outta the other Briggs and Kohlers that I've had or have presently. The darn thing fires up all the time, pulls the finish mower, cart, and seems to have plenty of power. It also has a cooling system to it and a spin on oil filter. I keep the oil clean in it and it just keeps runnin' and runnin'. Now that I've mentioned how nice it is, it'll toss a rod.... ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2014 at 8:07am
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I've never seen a Honda with postive ground. Ours are negetive ground. And I'm sure Honda has a motor available with correct size crankshaft. Kawasaki is a good motor also! ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2014 at 1:16pm
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My Honda is running a electric clutch on main shaft and the stub shaft off flywheel runs the hydrostatic drive with another driveshaft . I would say it handles load better than Kohler did in my New Holland - in fact i had a Tecumseh replant for about 6 years and it was better than Kohler . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 8:14am
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BTW, forgot to mention. My Honda is Neg. ground. ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 10:58am
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I've NEVER heard or seen a positive ground small engine,can't believe anyone would do that as sparks would fly high when jump starting them let alone blow up the Vregs of both units.If true, I'd like to see supporting documentation. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2014 at 9:12pm
| Johnny English would do something like that. If it was obviously going to be better negative ground, he`d make it positive ground! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2014 at 12:08pm
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Perhaps that is why Lucas, aka, god of darkness, doesn't make small engine electrics, to the best of my knowledge.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 8:59am
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Hudco, I was looking at some zero turn mowers (Husquvarna for one) with the Kawasaki engine in them because I was told they were very durable. Are service parts tough to get for those engines? Just curious. ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 10:15am
| most mower shops have to get your stuff on line for kawi parts the kawasaki dealers do not carey any inventory i know it is hard to keep what you need or customers need also cost of parts are alot more than honda and kolher will almost garantee you that no one will stock the air filter that you need we are going to install a kolher command 25 in a 616 because it is one we did not sell for a couple of years also in the mowers such as walkers they have been useing kolher commands with efi our kolher rep was telling me that kolher is going to go totaly fuel injected but the ones we service the fuel injection systems have worked flawless year after year also it seems like the kawasaki are real tempermental when they start getting hours on them the husq. mower end are a good quality machine and very service able |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 12:04pm
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Good info to know. Thank you! We have quite a few Kohler Command 18 engines on our small equipment here at work. They're used to power our "Dig-it" brand baby Backhoes that we tow around on the back of our pickups and use for underground work. As long as we keep the oil clean in them and the fuel clean, they run and run and run! The EFI versions must be pretty neat! ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |