new toy
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Topic: new toy
Posted By: Bled Orange
Subject: new toy
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 10:14pm
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just got new toy a d17. got her at auction well stole her realey. just need to know how big ci I can get and how hp I can get.
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Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 5:02am
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Depends on how much money you're willing to spend.
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 10:37am
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I no that much. just want so info.
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 4:33pm
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with Alot of work you can get 400 cubes HP i am not sure what it will produce you need to talk to wi50
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 5:26pm
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You better figure out where and what type/kind of "pulling" you are going to compete in. Sounds like another wannabe Puller who doesn't really have a plan.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 8:09pm
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Unless you have some pulling experience, walk before you run. Try pulling in some stock antique classes, until you get some ideas about weight transfer, balance and traction.
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 9:30pm
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well I have about 30 years of pullin from garden tractors farm stock tractors 4x4ss trucks and of right now a 4800lb ss 2wheel drive. I ant no wantabe just lookin for some info. if you don't want to help that's fine .I have farmed ac for 54 years. just thought this sight was good and did injoyed it. but anyway class is 7000 farm and field.no speed limet no rpm limet.410ci limet.sorry bout spelling. if you cant help that's ok. thanks
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Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 9:33pm
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Try the YTmag pulling forum, ask for a guy that goes by pankey.....
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Posted By: IL-D17
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 9:44pm
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for the class you speak of your first step should be get a bigger tractor!!
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 9:53pm
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thanks don't know what ytmag is.have a 180,185 but wanted to play with the 17.
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 9:54pm
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forgot to say the class is no trubo
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 10:35pm
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D-17's belong at 5,500 lbs and under to be competitive.
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 11:36pm
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If it's a non turbo class a 301 gas engine would be a much smarter choice @ 7,000 lbs. Whether it's in a 180 or 190 doesn't really matter. The 180 would be a little lighter I suppose. A D 17 has no business in that class.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2014 at 7:41am
I certainly didn't mean to antagonize you. I was merely pointing out that you need experience before jumping in too far.
As the others said, a D-17 is just too small to be competitive in a 7000 lb. class. You will be competing against 560's, 88's, 4010's and a lot of other tractors that are a lot more cubic inches. It would be frustrating and, probably, down right embarrassing to be out classed so bad.
If you were building a tractor for a 4500 lb. class, a D-17 might be able to be competitive, but it is just too small for 7000 lbs.
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2014 at 9:38am
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YTmag.com is another forum. (Yesterday's tractors). They have a pretty good pulling section.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
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Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2014 at 5:07pm
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they did till everyone went to the new pulling page on face Book
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2014 at 1:04pm
well wf I have experience,maybe not pros like you dr.allis. thanks to you other guys for info the 180 was may first chouse but got this old 17 and thougt I ask.going to play with the pump and timing should get around 100hp and putin on 30 or 34 on the 180 and see what happens. some other good info will be helpful. thanks
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2014 at 3:34pm
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It helps when your opening statement is specific. It happens on this forum all the time with someone asking a very general question to a very specific situation. Your third post gave us a little something to work with. The first didn't.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2014 at 6:18pm
So it's a diesel D17? I think you can tune it up a bit, but I don't think a non turbo 262 will get close to 100 hp. Those old design lanova cell engines just aren't very efficient. Maybe 80hp? I'm not saying it won't be fun, or competitive, but it most likely will not dominate. Remember, you don't have to have the most hp, but it does help lol!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2014 at 6:29pm
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Play with the injection pump timing and fuel setting all you want on a One-Eighty, and you won't see 100 HP without a turbo. Best guess would be about 85 HP and a lot of smoke.
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2014 at 9:27pm
sorry for the miss leading in first post, but never take to being a wantabe. so enough of that. no the 17 is gas the 180 is diesel. some guys I know that are ac men say around 100hp that's why I got on to get some more info. my 185 is turning according to dino a few years ago is at 90 without going all out.thanks will check back later I like good info and any ac tracto tolk not many of us around here any more
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2014 at 12:58pm
Glad to have another AC man!
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2014 at 3:57pm
thanks jay glad to be here. sorry if I trek some people off did not meanto. like talkin ac and findin out info.just got back from new club meeting. think we got class set to go first pull may 17. hopen everthing gos good.
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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