injection pump
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Topic: injection pump
Posted By: Ronnie
Subject: injection pump
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 9:00am
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Hi my name is Ronnie I am looking for a 450 head for a Rosa master pump . and is there a way to tell if I might all ready have one
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Posted By: Big Orange
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 9:22am
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Most of the 450s have a knobe plug on the side of the head. CALL 573 474 0447
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 9:31am
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OK thanks is it worth using a 450 or will a 390 do the job OK I think I better tell u I have a 190 with a 8010 engine in it and it runs in a 6500 class I am looking to run road gear I only go up to 8000 pounds it is running 5 and 6 right now
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Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 10:08am
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Depends on the turbo you are using and how much air you are flowing. If you are moving enough air 450 would be better, but you need the right combination.
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 10:43am
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I'm running an hx35 I won't to say thanks to big orange for the phone number u gave my he helped a lot
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 11:28am
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How much HP will a power director on a 190 take
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2014 at 8:59pm
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If you are at 301 C.I. I would guess the clutch will still hold at 400 or so HP if the PD clutch was in good condition and the pressure was increased. A larger displacement engine will make more torque and it's really the ft. lbs. that will make it slip. By the way, if you are running open RPM I would remove it no matter what the HP level.
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 5:09am
I am running a 301 and I don't have plans to go over 3500 rpm yet it runs high rpm now but I don't have a tack I am just looking to run road gear in 6000 pound class and not shift down
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Posted By: XT in pa
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 5:53am
Some say the power director shouldn't spin over 3000 rpms
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190XT,D17and 7045
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 6:26am
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Could i have the power director balinced
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Posted By: XT in pa
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 8:39am
I'm not sure ?? I think if I was at 400 hp I still want to use if if possible.
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190XT,D17and 7045
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 9:08am
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Look, boys. The Power Director clutch is in two pieces. Those two pieces are held together by six- 5/16" Gr 8 bolts and locknuts. As the hydraulic pressure is increased to be able to transmit the increased HP, those teeny-weeny bolts and the cast iron ears the bolts go thru can say ENOUGH !! and the whole thing can explode. Nothing to do with balance.....it's a structure thing and RPM's double what it was intended for makes it even worse.
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 10:25am
If the PD clutch explodes you will not only injure yourself, but could very possibly injure others. It is made from cast iron pieces and spins at up to engine speed. Yes, you can probably get away with it for a while, but the cast will start to crack a little at a time until one day BOOM and you have a serious problem - like hamburger for legs. Be smart and take it out and install a PD delete coupler before someone gets hurt. If you plan to have enough horsepower to run direct drive you have far exceeded what the PD will handle anyway. Same goes for the stock foot clutch.
Now, as far as running road gear (and making a complete run - spinning it out with authority - no sneezing) with 18.4 X 38's (if that is the plan)you will need a well tuned .450 head and rotor and hope it's enough. You won't make enough power with anything smaller. Sorry, that's just how it is.
Talk to Injpumped Ed. He is very good with them. He can set you up with properly sized injectors too I'm sure.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 11:19am
A .390 will be good for small turbo, and less than road gear on a 301, but if road gear is what you desire, then a fully built .450 pump is what you'll need. There's a lot more to it than just sticking a .450 head in the stock pump. I only sell them in a pump job. They have been hard to get a hold of, and very expensive, so that is why I only do it that way. Also, bigger injector nozzles set properly, and larger lines are a must.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 11:20am
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Ok thanks i think i beter see how much its turning for rpm first. I dont allways run high gears i do run a 5mph speed limit most of the time .I just wont to be able to run high gear
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 11:24am
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How much am i looking at for a pump job with a 450 head and lines and injuctors
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 11:38am
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If any one is looking for a good 2500 gas engin i have one it was re ringed.complet new bearing in bottom end head was gone through at dealer new valves head gasket rebilt carb new seats it ran 2 years ago pulled out of my puller to go to diesal and now its siting in the corner of my shop taking up space it only has maby 5 hours on it. it is all factory it ran realy good
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 1:42pm
There is a huge difference between running 6th gear and running road gear in a 190. Whatever the number of horsepower and Ft lbs. it takes to run 6th gear has to more than double to run road gear. The road from where you are at now to direct drive includes but is not limited to a change in the fuel system, turbo, cylinder head, clutch, head gasket, connecting rods etc. just to name a few. It would take a damn good Roosa fueled stock cubed 301 engine to run road gear - even at 6,000 lbs. 7th gear is much easier.
If your current injection pump is not set to govern at a certain speed of 3,000 RPM or less, then I would consider it to be an open RPM tractor. Unless you limit it to 3,000 RPM or less I would remove the PD clutch.
Good luck.
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Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2014 at 6:22pm
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Ok thanks for the info all of u guys have bin great
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