Wanting to build a 7060
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Topic: Wanting to build a 7060
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Subject: Wanting to build a 7060
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 12:06pm
| I'm looking at building a 7060 into a farmstock tractor. I was wondering how difficult and what is involved in eliminating the power director and going to a dry clutch. I looked at a 7030 a few years ago that Dennis Bobb had forsale. It was a farmer superfarm and it had been switched. He had bought the tractor years ago for the motor and the rest had sat in the shed the whole time. He said he had the top cover off it out of curiosity and had wished they had switched to the 7000 rear when they were pulling. It still used the 5 speed and the high and low range, so it was a 10 speed... I'm getting rid of the the 3 point, pto, and steering so I dont need any of that. I just wish I could remember what they had done to make the switch. Thanks for the input. Anybody have any ideas on how heavy the rear is on the 7060? I'd like to get down to 9,000. |
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 12:40pm
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I don't know about the dry clutch setup, but I do have custom made adapters to put a .450 DB style pump on the stock 7000 series front plate originally equipped with a DM pump. I set up a 7050 last year with fuel and air system. A .450 pump costs more initially, but in the long run, you'll be glad you did it that way. A DM will only do so much, and still a 100+cc behind one of my .450 DB's. I think I know who owns that 7030, and it might be for sale. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 12:46pm
| Thanks ed, it wont be an AC power plant under the hood though. Hope that doesn't kill all my help.... lol |
Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 1:19pm
| It doesn't kill your chances but reduces them dramatically. Let me guess, your putting a Cummins or a Detroit in it?? |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 1:29pm
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It doesn't kill help from me, but it does kill it from being a farm-stock puller. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 1:36pm
| Thanks Ed, I sent you a message on Facebook. And I don't know what motor we're going to run. We're a long way from that, not a cummins. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 6:38pm
| Id be interested in that 7030 tractor that's for sale , id like to find a 7000 series project |
Posted By: ac boy
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 8:26pm
| bang for your buck id go with the 40 Detroit. |
Posted By: Big Orange
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 7:53am
| Where are you going to pull it as farmstock, with a non stock engine ? |
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 8:09am
| Southern Indiana farmstock pullers. |
Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 1:16pm
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Are these your rules? Southern Indiana Farm Stock Pullers Any Tractor may enter 2 classes!!! Farm Stock- 8 MPH 13,000lb. 1. 3000 RPM Sensor required if sled is equipped with monitor. Tractors pulling one time per year don’t require sensor. Sensor wire is to be visible from front to back. 2. Stock fuel for make models- No nitrous, alcohol, propane, or combustible injections. 3. Maximum 20 inch hitch height. No less than 18 inches from center of axle to hook point. Hole minimum 3 inch by 3.5. Hitch must be one piece from center pin to rear of tractor. No frame alterations. 4. Factory block or replacement motor per each model as well as manifolds. 5. No Duals-20.8x38 tires maximum. Top cut tires only. 6. Straight Exhaust. No curved Pipes. 7. If speed horn blows after 150 feet you are disqualified. 8. Weights must be secured. If weight falls off you are disqualified. 9. All pullers must be at least 16 years of age. 10. Liability insurance is encouraged for each driver but not required. 11. Rock Shaft must be in place if factory equipped. Hydraulic hoses may be removed. Does not apply to open classes. 12. RPM sensor must register. Farm Stock- 12 MPH 13,000lb. 1. Same as above. No turbo limit. Naturally Aspirated Farm Stock 12,000lb. 1. Same as above. Open 13,000lb. 1. Same as above. No turbo limit. 2. Wheelie Bars and air shut off required. |
Posted By: Big Orange
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2014 at 8:30pm
| 4. Factory block or replacement motor per each model as well as manifolds. ARE YOU SURE YOU CAN DO THIS ENGINE CHANGE, OR ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THE HOODS TO FIT THE ENGINE ? |
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 7:13am
| 903 cummins in a Massey 1150 was legal. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 8:02am
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Sounds like a great class to watch.............poor one to build for. Sounds like a good old buddy class. Absolutely nothing about this class should be titled farm stock. jmho. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 8:33am
| Can't get called a cheater in this class though! At the Tampico pull a lot of the prostock guys stayed to watch our class and thought it looked like more fun than their ppl class. Of course, one of the tractors in our class was on the ppl tour a couple years ago... |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:56am
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So true! I guess all those CIBP 900 cid BBJD need somewhere to pull! lol! Before I put a Detroit 40 series in that tractor, I'd think about the 516, or a big V8 Deutz from the R72 or whichever combine used it. It's as legit as a 903 in an 1150! Once again, a class started with good intentions, and suddenly it's completely out of hand! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 4:39pm
That kinda sounds like you and me Ed. We start with good intentions and then we get out of hand!!!!! IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
injpumpEd wrote:Posted By: ac boy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 7:36pm
| research the 40 Detroit and the navistar ih 466 they are twin sisters. do you guys remember when agco brought ac they ran a Navistar 466 in the first agco allis. big lawsuit between ih and Detroit ih has the rights to that engine. Detroit builds their engines. so Detroit came up with the 40 series Detroit. twin sis just different name minor changes. research it guys. so why would you go with a 516 n7 no parts and you have to do most of the research? no easy parts no nothing. the factory replacement engine for a 7060 is a 40 series Detroit that's what id go with it. ih parts everywhere. my 2 cents |
Posted By: Larry W.
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 8:23pm
| 40 series are a heck of a good motor to work with, so is a sisu. Just wait till the big 7 cylinder gets up and running in ntpa. |
Posted By: rowcropmafia
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 8:38pm
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If you're pulling 8 mph what's the point. You can have plenty of power with a 426 and keep your money in your pocket |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 8:48pm
| A little mis-information here. Detroit built their own 50-55 and 60 series engines. Detroit needed a smaller engine to complete their engine line for the medium duty truck market. They purchased the DT-408-466-530 engines from Navistar. This generation of engines is NOT the same thing as an IH tractor engine and is metric when it comes to nuts and bolts. There was no lawsuit.....Detroit was buying the engines from Navistar. If you actually saw one of these Detroit series 40 engines (again 408-466-530 cubes) they don't even look like a DT414-436-466 from years ago. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:00pm
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Dr isn't that when Penske bought Detroit ? IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ac boy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:01pm
| dr allis have you seen the new ones? you are a very smart person but I think you need to look a little deeper. and yes you are right they where brought from Navistar just looked it up but their was a lawsuit. with the early agco allis over it. |
Posted By: rowcropmafia
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:02pm
| And truthfully I like the rules you have a believe if you are going to speed limit a class let a guy build whatever he wants to run that speed limit. In reality it makes it cheaper to be competitive |
Posted By: ac boy
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:09pm
| dr allis im talking the bus engine that all the ih's are running. ih's original 466 does not look like identical to that engine. but that's just me I may be overlooking something? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:46pm
| AGCO used two versions of the Detroit series 40 (Navistar) engines in the mid-1990's. The early ones (9435-9455-9635-9655-9675-9695-9815 tractors) had mechanical fuel injection with an in-line injection pump. I believe it was when the 9700 series tractor came out (1998-99?) the engines had gone to the HEUI fuel injection system, which had no in-line injection pump and big hydraulic/electric injectors under the valve cover with a computer (ECM) to control them. The latest Generation of engines from Navistar are DT466 and DT570 (different bore-stroke combo than before)and have four valves per cylinder and I assume high pressure rail fuel injection. NONE of these engines were ever in any IH/Farmall/Magnum farm tractor. Only AGCO tractors and not this latest 4-valve engine. Only the first two in the mid 1990's thru mid 2000'?. Penske bought Detroit ( mid 80's)and designed/built the series 60-55-50 in 1987 if memory serves me right. |
Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 9:53pm
| Just to clarify, there are speed limit classes and no speed limit classes. I'm wanting to build for the no speed limit classes. The series 40 has a completely different head on it. The intake side is amazing but from what everyone has told me, the exhaust side sucks and there's not much that can be done. Thus, the dt head is still overall better. The guys that have the good running series 40's have aluminum heads. (Hurricane Allis ect...) |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 10:21pm
| A model year 1994 Detroit series 40 and a 1994 Navistar DT466 or DT530 are the same engine and do have a much different cylinder head than an older DT414-436-466 which are not the same as a Detroit series 40. Looks like the DT466-E and DT530-E were built thru 2004 and then the next generation DT466 and DT570 were next and then the MaxForce 9 and 10 are the current engines. |
Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2014 at 10:22pm
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Your original post was how to install a dry clutch after removing the hydraulic PD clutch. It can be done and I would guess Dr. Allis can point you in the right direction. There are also different range gears to be used to have a bunch of fast gears (two high ranges of different speeds) and some different speed gear combo's (4th gear specifically) which may be helpful for you. He knows that stuff pretty well. |
Posted By: AC 7060
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2014 at 10:51am
| Nick I have a 7060 I pull it has cab cut off so .most of the heavy platform is still there. I took the rockshaft housing off took the cast peice that holds the front axle. I have 20.8 38 tires on u bolt hubs and it weights 9700 with a 200 lb driver. I do think you could get to 9000 bout would not be stock looking if that is a concern. I know a 7030 is pulling light pro at 8500 with cage and all safety equipment. œ |