25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E For Sale
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Topic: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E For Sale
Posted By: david smith
Subject: 25-40, or a 30-60? Allis E For Sale
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 1:47pm
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What does everyone think it would be worth? May consider selling if i can get a decent price? |
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Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 1:49pm
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Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 1:51pm
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Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 1:57pm
| I don't know, but you can bet it's worth more than I can afford. nice looking machine, is tha origional, or was it re-done at one time? real nice for origional |
Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 2:34pm
| it sat in a barn for 50+ years, i took it out and with some minor parts from the AC Guru Larry got it running again. Never done a thing to it cosmeticly, was real careful when i was working on it to not take off any more of the original paint than i needed to. can still see all the decals when you get close to it runs like a dream. I am not a big A-C collector thought i would see how much interest there was in it. |
Posted By: Joe_ AC
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 3:58pm
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Try Larry Swenson in Mn. he knows these old tractors. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 4:02pm
| Call me after 8 pm to 9 pm eastern time 717-632-9022 |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 4:17pm
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What size tires are those on the front and back? It appears whoever cut the steel wheels off for rubber rims did a good job. That's a real fender full of rubber! It says in my AC data book rubber models sold for $1425 in 1934, 50 x 10 solid rubber tires on French and Hecht spoke wheels. I guess air tires where not an option yet. Does it have a pto? Nice looking unit there. By the way David, I would be happy to give you the original purchase price of $1425, sight unseen!!!!!!
Take care,
Leon B MO ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 5:05pm
| Rear tires are 15-32" Gillette brand and the front tires are 7.5-24". I have never seen a tire like the rear ones before an old man that i know said they might possibly be the original tires? after they cut the steel wheels down? I forgot to mention i do have the air cleaner tube that goes to the carburator i didnt have it back on the tractor yet when i took the pictures. I have another one identical to this tractor that i took apart 2 years ago to restore but havent got it back together yet. thank you guys |
Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 5:06pm
| and sorry no pto unit. |
Posted By: Brian Ahart
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2010 at 8:13pm
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David, that looks like a straight old E. The starter is a nice bonus. It is definitely "knee-deep" in rubber, as they say. Speaking of 15-32 tires, my late '36 WK-40 has 15-32 Goodyears on the rear. I can't say for sure if they are original since the fronts are cut-offs, but they are definitely 30's - 40's vintage. Fortunately they are still in good condition as the tractor has always been shedded. I remember inquiring about the 15-32 (18.4 in today's size) tires on an IH forum once. An older gentleman told me I was very fortunate that they were still in good shape as that tire had not been produced since 1961. But I digress... Best of luck with your "E", Brian
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Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 12:49pm
| The serial number of the allis is 24732. thank you |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 1:06pm
| Leon ,PTO 'S for E 's are VERY, VERY hard to find ,They are in the VERY VERY RARE GROUP. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 2:25pm
The tractor is a 1930 model. To know what it is we need to know what it says on the engine data area (see pic) The starter tank on the fender means it was originaly a low grade fuel tractor. If the data plate says 5 kero then it is a 25-40 if it says 5 1/4 kero then it is a 24-40 Thresherman's Special. Some call any 5 1/4 bore model E a 30-60 but the only referance to the name 30-60 is a batch of tractors made after serial number 25611 but before the beginnning model A serial number which is 25701. The manifolds are not original to the tractor. The tires arent original, they are cut down steel. Factory rubber would be on round spokes and first A-C tractors on air tires was built in 1932. Cant say for sure about ther paint but the hood decals are not original to it. Not knocking your tractor, I wouldn't mind having it in my shed BUT neither am I going to blow smoke up your posterior. Lots of modified tractors around and you have one of them. cant help you much with values as they have gone up quite a bit lately.
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Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 2:28pm
| Sorry about the too big pic,was going to resize it but,,,,, |
Posted By: david smith
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 3:12pm
| butch it says KERO 5 1/4 i cant remember the number after that i will have to look at it tonight |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 5:28pm
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Thanks for the information Butch, I know very little about tractors prior to the U.
Leon B MO ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 5:55pm
Here is my E-25-40 , 1935 5 1/4 kero tractor ,with the Kero -Manifold. Alot of the early 25-40's had the gas manifold with the kero carb as your tractor has.Someone has also changed out your Base mount mag and govenor housing to the A type flange mount mag.Witch way would not change the price unless some die hard wanted a base mount mag. Unless I seen the tractor in person I would not put a price on it for you. Nice look'in tractor, with electric start and gear drive generator helps the price.
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Posted By: D-allis Iowa
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 6:33pm
| I will do some research on my 25-40. It is 1930 and never sat out 1 night. I am second owner and it came with 2 manifolds and was told the manifold not on it was the kero manifold. Lots of good info on this post. |
Posted By: DouginIL
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2010 at 9:25pm
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Some 25-40's did come with flat spoke wheels for rubber tires. This is from the 1934 Full Line brochure. The tractor under discussion in this post is on cut downs though. Notice, too, the 50 and 60 horsepower engine options. Is the 50 horsepower version a Thresher Boy Special? LOL! |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 5:48am
| Well, I'll be hanged, every other piece of literature I had seen and my ragged out parts book show round spokes. See what happens when I play expert? LOL |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 6:00am
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I like that silhouette of the plow bottom behind Allis-Chalmers at the bottom of the page. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 7:17am
| They used all kinds of differant pictures and this one is of one that had cut off from a dealer or owner as you can see that is has been a working tractor in the picture.. They did not send them from the factory that way |
Posted By: DouginIL
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 7:42am
| ok, LOL! |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 10:19am
| You could get the round Spoke with rubber from factory .This is what a older dealer told me that sold a couple of these.But we do all know that AC would pump about anything out that you would order.LOL |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 9:39pm
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Yes you could get round spokes from the factory but only with solid rubber tires, correct.? That's the information in my "Terry Dean AC tractors" book.
Leon B MO ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: Tricky Dickie
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 6:26am
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Hello Guys. My 25-40 Thresherman's Special is a 51/4 kero model, serial number 25575. It is on round-spoke rubbers and has the flange-mounted mag (see my previous post on this topic) When I bought it, a previous owner had cut off the hotbox on the kero manifold and removed the starter tank, although he left were obvious traces of both. Will Woodward has gone to great trouble to have some repro kerosine manifolds cast for his collection of A,s and he has been good enough to sell one of these manifolds to me. Fred in PA has sent me pics of the correct starting tank, along with dimensions and I am having one made, so my tractor will be back to kero operation as it was originally made. I also have a 1929 20-35 on steel, which we have fully restored mechanically, but left in completely original cosmetic condition. I love these old Allis E's and I believe that they have been a very undervalued collectors tractor in the past. However, things are changing and they are coming into their own at present. If you really want to sell such a nice machine, don't let it go too cheaply (unless you sell it to one of us!!)
Tricky Dickie
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Posted By: DouginIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2010 at 7:15am
| Leon, the round spoke wheels are the more common factory set up for air tires on 25-40's. I have a set of them (front and rear) on one of my E's. 20-35's were steel only from the factory. |