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Topic: Wabted wd45 Diesel pto

Posted By: Wayne
Subject: Wabted wd45 Diesel pto
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 6:40pm

My dad needs a complete good working pto with the carrier bearing for his wd45 diesel. Call me at 815 644 0750 or call him at 815 265 7616 after 6 pm Thanks Wayne

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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 7:44am

Wayne, If all you need is the shaft they are the same as a gaser, The bearing is the same as a gas too, The carrier is what is diff. That mite make the hunt less painfull. LOL

Don

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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.

Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 8:37am

My WD-45 diesel has the word DIESEL cast into the rear bearing casting. Because the gearing is different than the gas, I think that the PTO shaft is slightly lower than the gas version. If you use the gas rear bearing holder the shft may be slighly out of alignment.

Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 8:46am

Thanks Calvin, That's what I was trying to say, It just didn't come out right did it. LOL

Don

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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.

Posted By: Allis Fields
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 11:52am

When I used Phil Browns pto box and shaft to dyno mine. The box has a larger shaft coming out of it than a gas. The Shaft carier bearing is taller with diesel cast into it. And the shaft has a larger coupler to go ove the larger shaft from the pto Box.

Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 2:44pm

i dont know where you people are coming up with a different carrier bearing p/n between the 45 gas and the 45D.according to the official allis ipc,they are the same p/n 227230 on both tractors.the shafts are the same p/n 222663 how ever the gear boxes are different the gas tractors primary p/n is 224653 with several tractor s/n differences.the 45d p/n is 227224.also the 45D IDLER GEAR(18 TOOTH) P/N U3236 AND THE GAS P/N IS 203236 ALSO 18 tooth these parts may all be the same made into a stronger part with an upgraded p/n...hope this helps someone none of my diesels have DIESEL stamped on them

Posted By: TomMN
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 4:32pm

The carrier is indeed different for the diesel and has the word DIESEL cast right into it. The part numbers are different; gas-222646, diesel-227230.

Both cast pieces, the sliding gear and the shims are different on the main PTO drive as well. The PTO shaft and bearings are the same, but you can't start with a set up from a gas and convert it for use on a diesel. You can put one from a gas on a diesel though, it will just turn the wrong speed when the engine is operating at optimal RPM. And if you use the front from one and the rear from the other then the bearings will be stressed because the shaft will be higher on one end. Tom

Posted By: Allis Fields
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 4:56pm

So can I take a gas pto box,shaft,and bearing holder and put it on a diesel Rear end that has none of that? And will it turn faster or slower than a factory setings? My diesel rear has a gas 226 motor in it.

Posted By: TomMN
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 5:07pm

If you have a gas 226 motor then you should use a gas PTO since that is what the ratio is set up for. The diesel rear will slow your tractors ground speed down but has no effect on the PTO. Mating a diesel PTO and a gas motor would have a slower turning PTO. The diesel motor is supposed to run a higher RPM so it needs to be geared down for the PTO and has a different rear end ratio as well to make ground speed similar to the gas. I hope I have this worded right - I find it easy to write one thing and mean another, and I always read just what I think I wrote so proof reading is not possible. Tom

Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 5:45pm

j.w.freck wrote:

i dont know where you people are coming up with a different carrier bearing p/n between the 45 gas and the 45D.according to the official allis ipc,they are the same p/n 227230 on both tractors.the shafts are the same p/n 222663 how ever the gear boxes are different the gas tractors primary p/n is 224653 with several tractor s/n differences.the 45d p/n is 227224.also the 45D IDLER GEAR(18 TOOTH) P/N U3236 AND THE GAS P/N IS 203236 ALSO 18 tooth these parts may all be the same made into a stronger part with an upgraded p/n...hope this helps someone none of my diesels have DIESEL stamped on them

This is getting fun. LOL

I am with you on most of what you said here but this part of it.

I didn't say that the carrier bearing is different, I said that the carrier bearing housing was different. The housing part number for WD45-D is 227230 and the housing for WD/WD45 gas is 222646. (>:

Don

Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 5:57pm

WD-45 gas with 226 engine is rated at 1400 RPM.

WD-45 Diesel with 230 engine is rated at 1625 RPM.

The PTO gear ratios are different so the you get 540 PTO speed at the rated engine RPM.

Same goes for the crown and pinion ratio. Different ratios to get the same ground speed at rated engine RPM's. The Crown and pinion ratio in the WD-45 diesel is the same as all D-17's.

Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 5:59pm

sorry i misled you on the carrier bearing.the p/n i listed was for the carrier bearing hanger itself.sorry about that

Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 7:06pm

Well I'm glad we got that all figged out. LMAO

But we have not come up with the stuff Wayne still needs.

Don

Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 7:13pm

the difference in the gear in the box more teeth

Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2010 at 7:37pm

Our 1955 45D is like Tom's pic. It is longer from the holes to the shaft centerline, the amount escapes me.

Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2010 at 6:13pm

From memory I think the centerline is about 3/8 lower. I know we welded up the holes in gasser hanger and redrilled it so it would work on the diesel. I think that was the one which came in with a pillow block bearing mounted to a piece of angle iron. It worked okay but was not pretty. So--Wayne, your choices are wide open....Dale :)