the other orange ?
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Topic: the other orange ?
Posted By: steve
Subject: the other orange ?
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 9:46pm
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anyone have experiences with a Kioti brand, with a loader. Experiences good....bad...? thanks. I would look at an agco but none close and dont want red too much.
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Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 9:49pm
A guy up the road has one and he hates is, but he is extremly rough on stuff and he says it has no resale value, so he can't afford to get rid of it.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 11:28pm
There was a several page discussion on here a few weeks ago. Some love them some hate them. My personal experience with mine has been good as have my neighbors with the ones they own. I think the bigger models depreciate a bit faster but the little ones seem to hold their value, at least around here.
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Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 3:20am
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The discussion John mentioned was about Kubota, Steve is asking about Kioti. I believe the Kioti tractors are built in Korea, that would be enough for me to stay away from.
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Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 5:28am
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The koreans do a better job typically than the chinese or the indians. That statement has nothing to do with kitoti tractors however, as management and engineers play a big part of a tractors success, I am not familar with them.
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 6:38am
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What I heard is that the Koreans bought a gear tractor line from
Kubota, lock, stock, and barrel. They bought the factory machinery,
and moved it to Korea, and build it there. As to quality, I think it
is somewhat less dependable than a Kubota, but definitely better than
Chinese or Indian.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 6:48am
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I figure...
1) if they're still making them,they must be doing something right
2) look over the can I get 'spare parts' if it breaks...
3) If you don't abuse it, it should last a long time.
Heck, almost everyone here has 50-60 year old tractors and enjoying them everyday !!!
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Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 6:52am
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An hour's worth of reading at the Kioti forum on tractorbynet.com should fix any of your desires to own a Kioti. Granted, many of the folks over there are first time tractor owners and may not be the most savvy operators, but the Kioti stuff sure does break in some spectacular ways. Lots of front (MFWD) axle and transmission troubles, and several stories of tractors and axles broken in half. Probably o.k. for a lawn mower, but an A-C B with a belly mower will do that for less than six months' payments on a Kioti.
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 7:04am
Brett, I haven't been over there, in a while, since they banned me for a week for telling a joke! Like you say, tbn is mostly a yuppie site, but I hadn't heard about all the failures of Kioti's. Knowing that its yuppies breaking them up, some of it might be explained as novice operators, as you say. I don't think I will buy a new tractor, when I can fix up my AC's for very little money, and D10 would probably outpull all but the biggest of them.
How did the 3 point part work out for you?
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Posted By: kip in cny
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 7:12am
I have 2 buddies who bought kioi's from our loacal deere dealer. Both of them are not too happy with koiti. They had alot of small problems like likes hyd lines leaking and taking 3 to 5 weeks to get the parts sent to them. They love them one week and hate them the rest.
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 7:37am
I would imagine it's like any other tractor, Try to do too much, or lift too much, and they break! Don't take time to correctly shift gears, and they break! And, as with any machine you buy now-a-days, there are plenty of lemons!
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 7:50am
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I've got a friend that had one that was about 45HP with loader which I was able to drive around some and use the loader. I was impressed in how well built it was and how easy it was to use. He used it for a year or so and decided he needed a larger one so he traded for the next size up, maybe a 55HP? Have not heard how that one is working.
Parts availability would be a concern if I was making my living with these tractors and had to wait a few weeks for a part. As for me if I was in the market for a new tractor I would give them a look. But since my wife keeps me on the short leash and my one-seventy is going to outlive me, it's a moot point.
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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 9:00am
I don't know if Bobcat still has their tractor line but the Bobcat tractors are Kioti.
As stated the general opinion I've heard is that their not as good as the Japanese tractors but better than the Indian/Chinese and maybe on the same level as the European. I'm not sure if I subscribe to that though.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 10:26am
Well Duh! I guess I should read the post a bit better before making a comment! I did hear that some ex executives from Kubota started the Kioti brand in Korea and they were pretty much the same as Kubota. A couple outfits were selling them around here but one seems to be out of business and the other is selling Bobcat brand now so maybe they are the same as Bobcat. The Korean company that owns Bobcat has made tractors and construction equipment for several years.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 10:27am
That should be "the same as Kioti".
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Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 11:07am
Steve I see your from SEMO, depends where exactly but you should try to deal with Little Tractor here in Metropolis, not sure if he still is but at one time he was the largest dealer in the nation and was delivering tractors to people in California cheaper than what they could buy them for locally. As for quality the only one I have used is at our fairgrounds and it gets abused there since know one has to pay for it but it holds up very well doing loader work and mowing. Its 55 horse and many who have used it say they wouldn't be afraid of buying a bigger one for feeding cows or doing hay but they are a utility tractor and prolly wouldn't hold up doing field work. We also have a Kubota dealer here but Kioti's are much more popular.
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Posted By: ToddSin NY
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 1:08pm
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BUY American or BY America! Sorry just have a hard time seeing this foriegn made crap being talked about on the AC site. I have no problem with the discussion but hate to see it! I'm parting out the B and the steering wheel shaft is solid steel about 1 inch around. Thought to myself wow that is good american made iron right there! These new foriegn made crap would use thin wall tubing that you could twist it out of shape with the steering wheel with your bare hands.
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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 1:45pm
No tractor under 100hp is made in America to my knowledge. Some Deere and New Holland compacts are "assembled" here.
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Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 9:10pm
Isn't the JD 4000 Series, 5M Series, and 5 E Series all built in Augusta GA? I thought they built the 7030 tractor in Waterloo, IA as well. I could be mistaken.
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Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 9:41pm
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GB, the JDs are assembled in Augusta. I don't know where all of the parts come from, but most are not made there.
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Posted By: Dale Hardtke
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 9:45pm
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Tuf-bilt is made in Georgia USA. Not very many foreign made parts. This is the 2010 version of the Allis model G. Approx 20/25 Hp.
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Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 10:09pm
If you can really call it assembling. They unpack the basic tractor from the shipping container, put on the front axle fenders, tires(which are usally sourced from the US) and place decals and cosmetic items. More of a glorified set up. Byron is correct, other than several small specialty companies, there is no tractors under 100 HP made in the US any more, and every year more big tractors are being made over seas.
Don't kid yourself about the JD and NH/Case, there are alot of torn up compact tractors with torn up front axles, busted crankcases and bent spindle out there from abuse from owners, typically using the loader like a bulldozer or a payloader.
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 8:41am
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thanks for all the feedback. Like most of you, I would be quite happy with a AC with dual acting cylinders on the loader. But D17's are 50 years old now. Everything I currently have is older than that. I like the looks of a 160 but they are "french", the 5020-6080 are imports too, with just a few AC parts. Just what is a guy to do?
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Posted By: JERRY-KS
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 8:59am
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To add a bit of info: No tractor under 100Hp has been made in the USA since 1980. Some assembly, as mentioned, but no mfg in the strict sence. Yet about 75% of the tractors in the WORLD are under 75 Hp. An example of the work force available at a cheaper price for Mfg & assembly outside the USA. Personal opinion: The Japanese have a stronghold on the market for the "compact sizes".
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