AC wagon or running gear
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Topic: AC wagon or running gear
Posted By: tractorman
Subject: AC wagon or running gear
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 9:44pm
| recently some one ran a topic about rebuilding an ac wagon or running gear now i can't find it. can some one repost or relist it. Thanks Johns |
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Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2010 at 11:34pm
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Tractorman,
I rebuilt and redecked this model 601 gear last summer...not sure how to find the thread from then.
edit: I searched for the thread and couldn't find it. I think it was posted near the end of the old forum.
  ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 6:26am
| Still think you did a great job, Bill. You should be proud!! |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 9:27am
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Thanks, Chad! It was a fun project. Have you had a chance to do any more on your gear? If I remember right yours is in pretty good original condition.
I found the link off the old forum for Tractorman:
http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_view.asp?mid=948942&mtop=1148942&mtext1=&morder=pdate&page=2&mnext=1148854 - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_view.asp?mid=948942&mtop=1148942&mtext1=&morder=pdate&page=2&mnext=1148854 ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: tractorman
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 4:43pm
| a friend asked me to help him find it, i think he will be happy, I am thank you. A very neat project. i will spend some moe time looking at the be as well as the wagon. Thanks agin JS |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 10:21pm
| I plan to redo my wagon this year (a 701). How did you do the stencil of the number?? That was an incredible job! |
Posted By: PennsylvaniaNewt
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 10:36pm
| Very Nice!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2010 at 11:29pm
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Thanks for the nice comments, guys.
EPALLIS,
Luckily, there was some remnant of the old model number stencil. I traced the outline on a piece of vellum, then cleaned it up on the drafting table:
 I took this drawing/tracing to the local sign shop. They have a vinyl-die cut lettering machine. They scanned the drawing and made a perfect stencil out of adhesive-backed vinyl. This way I had no bleed-through creeping underneath the stencil at all when I spray-painted over it, and the original factory model number is reproduced as closely as I could reasonably get it. ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 6:13am
I still haven't toched mine, Bill. Way to many projects as I sure most can relate to!  
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Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 6:18am
| I guess my spelling is off this morning! By the way, how do you put spaces between the pictures? |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 1:54pm
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Hey Chad,
Your wagon looks nice and straight, everything is there including the decal remnants and the metal nameplate. It took me over a year to find mine, you'll have a hoot when you get around to yours.
I think if you hit "enter" a time or two between cut-and-pasted photo links, that should cause them to separate in the post, but keep in mind I also consider dining at the Waffle House to be "healthy eating".
------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 2:47pm
| I have 2 Allis running gears and am repainting the one under the kicker wagon. I should redo the one under the bin wagon also but theres this thing about time. I have an Electric gear under another bin wagon that is orange, a neighboe has 2 nice Electric wagons that are red ( orginal ) Does anyone know if they came in different colors or was it just painted to match the J&M bin at some time? Thanks...Harvey |
Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 3:00pm
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We had two electric gears under gravity bins - one orange, one red. I think they changed their primary color at some time over the years. -John |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2010 at 6:16pm
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I have a 701 gear that must be a few years newer because it has the newer A-C decal on the back and the triangular logo on the side next to where it says 701. I know it has never been repainted as I am the second owner. The guy I bought it from has 5 more A-C running gears, he purcased them all brand new. He will not part with any more yet. He also has an A-C silage blower still hooked to his silo pipe that hasn't been used for 15 years, I imagine it's rusted out by now. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 8:08am
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AllisFreak MN,
If you look closely at the illustration in Norm Swinford's A-C Farm Equipment book, an A-C triangle logo is visible next to the model number just as you decribe on your wagon. In a listing of the models offered, the entry for the 701 gear reads: "Model 701 - 7 ton for power feed boxes".
I thought about adding that decal there, it would look cool. I refrained because I didn't think it would be original. No doubt you're correct about the later model wagons having this decal. ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 9:22am
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Bill: I checked the book and yes, you are correct. I would like to make mine look as nice as yours someday, just have to make time to do it I guess. You did an awesome job on your 601. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 3:07pm
AF...I have a baby brother to yor 701. It still has the original bias ply BF Goodrich tires on it. Kinda crowded, so I had to put my 601 on it for the winter!
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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 4:04pm
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Chad WI: Nice! The paint and decals look pretty darn good on that 505. Those are the exact A-C decals that are on my 701. I wonder if you can still get those? ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 4:30pm
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Well here's is mine bought in august 09' Danny  ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 10:18pm
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Can I ask where you obtained the A-C decal? I need 2 of them. Thanks! |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 11:28pm
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EPALLIS,
If you mean the rear decal on my 601, it's the same as a common WD/WD45 hood decal. As I recall that one came from Maple-Hunter, but Jim Danforth, Norm, Tony & Barb and most of the vendors here offer that same decal.
------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: tomwestky
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2010 at 6:55am
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Posted By: tomwestky
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2010 at 7:02am
Don't know what happened in the prior post. Seems to be a lot of talent on this post. Help me with my gear, please. Plate photo attached. What model is this one? < id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2010 at 7:21am
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Tom, My understanding is that the first digit in the model number, in your case a 7 means that AC wagon is a 7 ton. I would go with a 701 for your model. Danny ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2010 at 11:44pm
For those who can't get enough wagon information, here are partial scans of the brochure for models 405, 505 and 605 running gears:
  This is for the model 501 and 601 wagons, courtesy of Chad WI:
  ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 3:09am
I was kinda hoping it was mating season for AC running gears. That would sure help with the shortage! ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Chad(WI) wrote:Posted By: JohnCinMd
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 8:57am
| Hey Bill, could you email me a higher quality scan of the manual for the 405 gear? Thanks! |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 10:44pm
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John,
...email sent your way. ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Dean(IA)
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 6:18am
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Message for Tom Would you let me make a drawing of this data plate and use it in the alleged book that I am trying to write? Thanks, Dean |
Posted By: tomwestky
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 6:36am
| Sure....have at it. |
Posted By: Stockman
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2021 at 6:05am
I’ve enjoyed learning a little bit more about the Allis Chalmers’ running gear models. I came in to one quite by accident. When I got this home I found the ID tag under several layers of paint. Trying to learn more about it and want to try to bring it back to its original condition for use in hayrides. Not quite sure how I’m going to build it out. I am curious about what style/brand tires would’ve been original. Only two of the four wheel hubs have zerk fittings in the caps. Not sure if that’s original. Also one wheel was replaced. The stem comes out from the inside on that one. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you – Ben     
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 11:50am
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The AC 701 gear could have been supplied with a number of tire/rim options. It's August of 1966 sales brochure list the following wheels(rims) sizes (Inch diameter x inch width) then probable tire sizes; 14 x 6, (G78-14s,8.5-14?) 15 x 6, (9.5-15?) 16 x 6.5, (7.5-16?) 15 x 8, (11-15?) flotations 15 x 10, (11-15,12.5-15?)flotations 15 x 5.5 (6.5-15?,7.5-15?) Your grease zerk hubs would have been an add-on as I don’t believe that to be original. All hubs & wheels should include a common “EWC” stamped ID. EWC Q709 is their hub ID. Their spindle size is 1 3/4” welded into their frames. The Q709 bearings are as follows; 1 3/8” LM48548/LM48510,inner 1 1/4” LM67048/LM67010,outer, N41461S(National), CR 15190(Chicago Rawhide, 901283, hub seal. |
Posted By: Stockman
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 1:51pm
Appreciate that information! I did build it out and currently have the same wheel configuration as when I bought it. If I ever have to change the tires I’ll probably double back on the wheel question. Thanks again for the input
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Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 6:09pm
| Nice! Thanks for sharing the pic! Stockman is correct, I never saw any hubs with zerks. Those would be an add on or a replacement. Not original. Luv seeing these wagon gears brought back to life! It is appreciated!! |