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An Italian Allis Item

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Topic: An Italian Allis Item
Posted By: Ian Beale
Subject: An Italian Allis Item
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2013 at 4:56pm
http://www.tractorum.it/forum/restauri-macchine-d-epoca-f48/recupero-allis-chalmers-italiana-w150-vender-133/" rel="nofollow - http://www.tractorum.it/forum/restauri-macchine-d-epoca-f48/recupero-allis-chalmers-italiana-w150-vender-133/
 
A neighbour here (Australia) has run into an Italian Allis about the size of a HD 16 too.


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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2013 at 10:21pm
One of the deals with the AC / Fiat merger or joint venture was for Fiat to get rights for a mid size machine of the HD10 and larger . 
 Hard to think that the US and World market for construction changed in the 70's to where mergers and sell off of lines changed the full industry - first in construction then in the farm market with a few more years. 
 With Oliver, Massey, IH, AC, all merging or being absorbed into other companies, be it Dresser, Fiat, and even Ford all going into different ownership. 


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Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 6:17am
 

Coke,


I think this one goes back much further than the Fiat Allis merger. The little oil I have found looks like Allis must have taken over the Italian Vender crawler operation, probably around 1960 by what is presented below. I know a bloke whose family had a Vender, (and another who had dealings with Ansaldos with Alfa Romeo diesels if I remember correctly - this bit for information on what is probably a rare brand here and not directly related to the rest of this comment )


In an ancient 1970 (even though I pre-date this by quite a bit it isn't in CD so it must be ancient, right?) Australian Power Farming annual there is a list of “Additions to Non-Current Crawler Tractors”.


For 1959-60 there are Vender DR80CS3 (75 d'bar HP) (No test link) (4, 5.315 x 6.299”)*


and DR150 (120 dbhp). (No test link) (6, 5.7 x 6.690”)


In 1964-65 there is Allis Chalmers D 150H (57 dbhp) (Ital Govt Test 111, no date) (4, 4.724 x 5.512”)

In 1968-69 there is Allis Chalmers 250H (92 dbhp) (Ital Govt 61) 94, 5.315 x6.299”)


In 1969-70 there is Allis Chalmers 350 (135 dbhp) (Ital Govt 131) ( 6 , 5.315 x 6.299”)

This I think is the one that my neighbour saw that looked like a HD 16.

*(Cylinders, bore x stroke).

I'd reckon that the similar bores and strokes didn't happen by coincidence, but could be wrong.

 
And Fiat had a line bigger than HD 10 at the time of the FA merger - this 1970 Annual has Fiat AD 12's at 125 engine HP (manual with power shift transmission and double reduction finals) and this line included 10's, 14's and 20's of the same pattern.  Our FA 10 has, in the parts book as one of the production modifications, the change from Fiat 10 to FA 10 badges - doesn't give the date unlike a lot of other mods).

Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 6:19am
OOPS Typo above. 
 
That should be (4, not 94cylinders!

Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 5:25am
A bit more on this
 
"

International Expansion

By 1957, Allis-Chalmers was renamed Allis-Chalmers International and decided to expand its operations internationally with the purchase of a small Italian manufacturer of http://www.ritchiewiki.com/wiki/index.php/Crawler_tractors" rel="nofollow - crawler tractors in 1959 and a French company in 1960 that built generator sets and http://www.ritchiewiki.com/wiki/index.php/Motor_graders" rel="nofollow - motor graders . http://www.ritchiewiki.com/wiki/index.php/Allis-Chalmers#cite_note-23" rel="nofollow - [23] By the 1960s, the company operated a number of plants in Mexico, Australia, England, and several other countries. http://www.ritchiewiki.com/wiki/index.php/Allis-Chalmers#cite_note-24" rel="nofollow - [24] The problem presented with these international expansion efforts was the company's lack of resources and funding needed to get such small operations off the ground and growing. Despite its efforts, it was never able to become a multinational company and overseas expansion only netted poor sales.



New & Used Heavy Equipment http://www.ritchiewiki.com/wiki/index.php/Allis-Chalmers#ixzz2aQcPKwRB" rel="nofollow - http://www.ritchiewiki.com/wiki/index.php/Allis-Chalmers#ixzz2aQcPKwRB
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The whole article paints a picture of the path of Allis's fate.
 

Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2013 at 10:53am
Seems the AC line did look for expansion through acquisition, some for the dealer network already in place and also to assemble or complete machines in other areas. 
 Later one can see other names marketing small excavators built in Korea or Japan in was where they were built by a supplier and name and color changed for the market they were sold into. 

Looking at some of the links off that site you posted brings up all kinds of old history of crawler tracked machines- log haulers, tanks, half tracks and other ag and construction machines  


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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."


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