HARVEY-V12 GENERATOR
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Topic: HARVEY-V12 GENERATOR
Posted By: big al
Subject: HARVEY-V12 GENERATOR
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2013 at 8:40am
| THIS IS A UPDATE FROM THE POST LAST FALL ABOUT THE ALLIS BUILT V8-V12 ENGINES.I HAD A LEAD ABOUT THESE ENGINES FROM A FORMER ALLIS MECHANIC THAT USED TO WORK FOR DD KENNEDY(ALLIS CONST DEALER)THAT THERE WAS ALLIS 65000 GENERATOR(V12) IN THE BASEMENT OF THE HOSPITAL IN HARVEY,IL.I THOUGHT THE THING WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED A LONG TIME AGO.ABOUT 4 WEEKS AGO I GOT CURIOUS AND MADE THE CALL. I FOUND OUT THAT NOT ONLY WAS THE V12 STILL THER AND RUNNING AS A EMERGENCY GENERATOR,BUT IT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE REPLACED ANY WEEK!!!!TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT IT,IT IS SITTING AT MY SHOP IN WESTVILLE,IN.(INFO-ALLIS-CHALMERS 65000 V-12 ENGINE-6X6 B/S,2037CI,TWIN TURBO,900HP,BUILT DEC.1972-)I FILMED THE OLD HARVEY ENGINE PLANT AND GENERATOR REMOVAL AND WILL HAVE A LINK TO UTUBE SHORTLY. |
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2013 at 8:52am
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That a great peice of good timeing. It's always good to follow your instinks ASAP.
I know where there are two others, one with the A-C 550 KW generator and the other
with another brand generator. I have literature. Very interesting engines. I can't find any information that the V-8 version ever went into production. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: ACcrazy
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2013 at 10:08am
| Excellent! Looking forward to seeing the youtube vid. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2013 at 7:48pm
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congratulations, that is quite a score. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2013 at 12:33am
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And excellent timing! I'm always a week too late.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2013 at 5:12am
| Theres another in St Louis that i ran across,, still like brand new! |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2013 at 7:06am
| TO ELABERATE ON CALS THREAD,THE V8'S DID NOT GO INTO PRODUCTION-THEY WERE USED FOR TESTING UNITS.ALLIS SAID THER WAS A STRONGER MARKET FOR THE V12.APARENTLY FROM MY SERVICE BULLITAINS THAT WASN'T THE CASE,MY BULLJTAINS ONLY SHOW TO SERIAL #55.THE ENGINE FROM HARVEY IS SERIAL #6.I WOULD GUESS ALLIS MADE THEM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS?MAYBE SOMEBODY OUT THERE KNOWS MORE OF THE STORY. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2013 at 4:55pm
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Video yet? ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: big al
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2013 at 6:06am
| DON-TALKED TO MY GUY,WORKING ON THE VIDEO THIS WEEKEND.HOPEFULLY WILL BE DONE IN A DAY OR SO. |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 10:32pm
EX engine plant employee here; just found this thread and I know it's an old thread but, I believe I can add to the knowledge base for these special engines. I was one of the first builders (not assemblers) of the proto type V12 production engines.
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big al wrote:Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2014 at 4:49pm
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Well ACjack, go ahead and spill your guts if u wish. Is there a video of the start/running of these engine? ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2014 at 7:46pm
| Not that I'm aware of but, I do know that there was a story on the V 12 in the company news magazine. Big Al said in another thread that he'd gotten a hold of some pictures. |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2014 at 9:14pm
| Sooooooo...do we get to see a video of this monster running? I'd love to hear it run. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2014 at 5:58am
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There is a video on Youtube of them lifting the engine out of the hospital. The engine was at the GOTO in LaPorte this summer and it was running. Very impressive! There must be a video of that some where. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2014 at 9:15am
One of the earlier gen sets was sent out to Tucson, AZ. It was the back up power for Bio-sphere 2. |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 4:30pm
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 4:32pm
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 4:35pm
| I remember reading that before Allis went under in 85' that they where working on designs for a 900 hp tractor, was this the engine they were going to use? |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 7:02pm
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Still waiting on the startup/ running video ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 7:15pm
Being in a 60 hertz gen set the rpm's would have to be 1,800
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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 7:49pm
Don't know about that but, one of the first 12 engines built was a 61000 (800 hp @ 2100 rpm's) that was sent down to Springfield, IL. We heard it was going into a HD41.
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Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2014 at 7:11pm
This picture was taken a Laporte last summer. ------------- 1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2014 at 8:15am
| Cannot remember the model year but it was a Freightliner COE while I worked in Salt Lake City in 1980/81 that a fiend had a Allis inline engine. Could possibly have been a 78 or 79 model year as had a lot of miles and parts were getting hard to come by. We ran for IML Eagle Division(Special Commodities). He traded it that year on a KW K100C with a Cat 3406. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2014 at 6:12pm
A fiend in need is a fiend indeed...
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2014 at 11:30am
 I got this out of my book The Allis Chalmers Story.
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2014 at 11:33am
| By my calculations it is 1357 c.i.d. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2014 at 8:56pm
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The V-12 was 2035 cu.in. The V-8 was 1357 cu.in. Serial # 43 is near me. I have seen 3 V-12's and heard two run. First learned about the V-12 and saw my first one about 7 years ago. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2014 at 10:18pm
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Serial # 43 is near me Was it sold through a dealer by the name of John (G?) Steel? We shipped a lot of gen sets and some V12 sets up there also. |
Posted By: Brent1999
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 12:47pm
| I think I'm taking serial #51 out of a hospital know trying to find a weight for it for crane company |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 7:33pm
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Literature states the genset weight as 13,500 lbs or so. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Jim Allen
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2022 at 10:54am
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Working on a story on one of these engines for my "Vintage Smoke" Column in Diesel World Magazine. Larry Mayer has #33 and it mounts an actual Allis-Chalmers generator. Larry says not all of them did. I'm getting info from him but since there is never too much information, I'm reaching out here as well. I have PM'ed a couple of guys that posted here but if anyone eesle has some.... Larry got #33 about 8 years back and it's now mounted on a trailer. Like most, it came out of a hospital. He says only 53 V12s were made and he knows of six survivors, including his.  ------------- Jim Allen Keeping the Past Alive |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2022 at 12:33pm
| To the best of my knowledge all of the V12 gen sets left the Harvey Engine plant with Allis Chalmers generators. Maybe some confusion about the "make" of generator since some of them were made in Appleton Wisconsin and others were made by Lima in Ohio. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 9:05am
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I have #43 in my shed. It is not running. Does not have an AC generator. Jack will likely have the most info. I do have specs and brochures. I did set up Larry to get his V-12 out of PA. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 9:36am
| Those are impressive ! Guess it was gold color from the factory? |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 10:15am
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Calvin; look at the manufacture's name plate on the generator itself. If it doesn't give a manufactures name it will state where it was made. Look for Appleton Wisconsin or Lima Ohio. Those were the only 2 places the generators were sourced from. Any idea as to why its not running?
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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 10:23am
Only the very first couple of generator sets were painted yellow and all of the rest were painted the standard copper color that was used on all of the other generator sets with the exception of a few that were painted a light blue and sold to and shipped to Dawson & Keth in England that that were made.
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Posted By: Jim Allen
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 11:14am
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What is the latest count on survivors... and their serial numbers if possible? Larry said he heard of six. I think we can account for four here on this thread... though I had better go back and check. I believe Larry spoke of your generator, Calvin. He didn't mention you by name, just that he knew of one that had a different brand of generator head on it. I am trying hard to get the production dates lined out. Looks like '72 or '73 but I'd like to know better. Has a firm production number been established? 52-56 is the range people talk about. Larry says 53 but admits that number came from someone else. I am researching to see what technical roots there are... i.e. is this two sixes put together? In my info, I don't see any other engines with a 6 x 6-inch bore and stroke... but, admittedly, my info on A-C power unit and generators is lacking. I have Diesel Engine Catalogs from '60 and '65 that include A-C engines but there might have been a 6x6 engine after that. ------------- Jim Allen Keeping the Past Alive |
Posted By: Jim Allen
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 12:05pm
Here is the tag from the generator on #33 ------------- Jim Allen Keeping the Past Alive |