The most popular Allis Chalmers tractor ever.
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Topic: The most popular Allis Chalmers tractor ever.
Posted By: J-WAG
Subject: The most popular Allis Chalmers tractor ever.
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:45pm
| All of you AC fanatics have to have an opinion on the most useful AC tractor ever, i want your opinion then i want you to tell why that is! Since i asked, i think the most useful tractor AC ever made would have to be a tie between the C and the WD or WD45. I think this because, First i liked the C because it was a handy tractor to have around on the farm. The WD and WD45 because they were the inovators in my mind. They were AC's answer to the Farmall M and the John Deere A. |
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Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:48pm
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I have not been around either, but Dad always says he thinks the 1958ish d17 diesel they had was better than their later d19 diesel. ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: J-WAG
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:57pm
| Thanks Greg, yea my grandfather had a D 17 series 4 with the 3 point hitch.i dont really know what year though!! it was a good workhorse! |
Posted By: ToddSin NY
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:22pm
| I've always liked dads WD45! Plenty of power and the wet clutchis handy to plow snow our fill in tile ditches! Put your left foot down over the rear and use the hand clutch to keep the pump rolling to lift and lower the plow and you can go all day.......if your arms can stand it!! LOL!! |
Posted By: Steve-Ohio
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:25pm
| No doubt it was the Alllis Chalmers WD-45. Tons of power, snap coupler, hand clutch, power booster, spin outs. Great combination. |
Posted By: Andy in Central IA
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:31pm
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I'll vote for the WD45. Did not have experience wit many of them though. Just WC's, WD's, C's and WD45's. ------------- Andy Central IA |
Posted By: PBSoMd
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:44pm
| I like them all, but out of the 20 some I have I use the 6080 to do the work. Could have something to do with the cab, air and heat. We farmed 50 ac for a lot of years raising tobacco and small grain with just a CA. It was a pretty good all around tractor. |
Posted By: Chris (swIA)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:06pm
| I love my WD and you can't beat the power of a D17. I guess if I had a WD-45 it would be the best of both worlds. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:34pm
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Boy O boy, This will go on and on. LOL
My vote will be for the best tractor built. The WD-45.........
Pound per HP the WD45 is it.
Come on boys tell it like it is. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:36pm
| Two of them; WD45 and D17 IV Diesel with factory three point. I have both. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:28pm
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I have 2 that are pretty handy. The CA and a 58 D17D. Trying to decide which A-C is best is pretty tough. About the only one with a not so great reputation would be the ED-40.
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 8:03pm
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If you want as the title of the thread says the most popular Allis Chalmers Tractor ever it would be the WC. I believe that is the largest production run of any Allis Chalmers tractor.
However, I firmly believe there were three units that MADE ALLIS CHALMERS in the farm equipment industry - one not a tractor - the WC, the B, and the 60 All Crop Harvestor.
Before these three units were introduced Allis Chalmers was just a manfacturing compnay. These units drove Allis Chalmers to the position of a major farm equipment manfacturer in the United States.
I don't know if this answers your question but these are my firm feelings.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 8:14pm
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Well I like the WD45 and the WD45D and the D17......but the tractor that makes money for me is the 175D. It might not be the most popular as far as numbers, but once you use one it is hard to go back to a D17, let alone a WD45..... ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 9:38pm
| I have to agree with Bill Long as the answer to the originial question. Some of the most usefull for me are the D-15 II with 3 pt, D-17 IV diesel 3pt., and the D-21 series II. The D-12 III with 3 pt and the H-3 are very usefull as well and they all get used. |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 9:47pm
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i like our tractors D17 diesel 3 pt, D21 220 and the wd45 |
Posted By: gary ny
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 10:00pm
| I personally think the wd45 is one of the most versitile tractors ever made ,It was small to get into tight spots ,light to go over wet spots and had good power to do anything it was asked to do and more. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 10:52pm
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I like the ORANGE ones. ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Leonard
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 2:32am
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I' with you Pat. Although I use a nd love the WD-45.
Leonard
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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 6:47am
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J-WAG, ACTUALLY, you have it wrong. The M and the L/LA were the answers to the B/C tractor. The M came out in 47 and the L/LA came out around 1940 or 41 I think. Allis was ahead of the game against all their competition with the B and the C. The B was far more popular then the C. The C only sold less then 2/3rds of the total number of B's sold. That being said, I'd have to say the B. It revolutionized the way the small farmer farmed. It was more economical then a team of horses and replaced many, many teams on the farm and bought the industrial age to countless farms. Since tractors cost less money to maintain then horses farmers were able to get higher profits. There was not near as much back breaking work either.
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Posted By: Jeff-in-Kunkletown
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 6:54am
| I'll vote for the wd-45 |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:28am
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I do like my 1954 WD45, I think the power and package size are a good fit. I agree with the spin outs and hand clutch comments too.
------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: Mark(MO)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:50am
| I wouldn't disagree with any of the prevoius opinions. I am surprised though, that no one thinks the 190 XT was one of the greatest. When I think JD I think 4020, when I think of Allis I think 190 XT. Might just be a generational thing though. I know it had its problems. |
Posted By: Roger A. NY
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:05am
| I would have to vote for the WD45 followed closely by the D17. Just from my personal experience. The B probably did more to get farmers into mechanized farming, but not MY favorite! Roger |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:09am
| D-17 IV. If it would have had live pto, it would have been perfect.. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:24am
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The most popular? I'm wit' Bill on that. The WC, with the B close behind. But, I think the WC set the ground work for its cousin the WD45, and that's where I think the word "useful" fits in quite well. I personally don't own a WD45 because I don't have a use for it on my little acreage, but from all the reading I've done on the 45' over the years, it was one versatile tractor for its time, and that, like the WC, set the ground work for the rest of the AC line down the road........ Steve@B&B |
Posted By: Bruce Mn.
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:49am
| I grew up on a WC & C, they were the greatest. Later I got a wd45 , great tractor. a couple years ago I finally up graded into newer tractors ,a D14 & D17. they definitly have advantages and tend to grow on you. |
Posted By: Ken(Bell.Wa)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 10:47am
| Of the 25 plus we have the most useful are 160, 6060, 7060, D17 series 4. Have a great day, Ken |
Posted By: RMD
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 10:56am
| Most popular and most useful are not the same thing. Certainly the B. WC, WD45 and/or D-17 were the most popular for their times. None of them can match later models with independent hydraulics, independent PTO, differential locks, more gear ranges and even font wheel assist for usefulness. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 11:05am
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I'd say the 6060. It's nimble, excellent on fuel, good power out of the 4 cylinder turbo diesel, small enough to be considered a utility tractor and big enough to be the main tractor on some farms. The factory cab is nice with air, heat and am/fm. Also has true live pto and hydraulics and spin out rims and power adjust front axle. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 11:15am
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To clarify my statement, I consider the 6060 the most useful, not the most popular. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: BiG210
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 11:20am
| The 180d and 185 just right for tillage planting loader work or what ever.. |
Posted By: Richard
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 11:23am
| I grew up driving a WC and I was sure glad to see the WD and WD-45 come along. I still have a WD-45 today. |
Posted By: BJ famfrm
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 11:27am
| I,ve had a lot of them from B thru 440 the one I like the best is my 6060 w/live pto. Best thing since sliced bread. Thanks |
Posted By: Frank
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:58pm
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The B was the most impotant because it replaced many thousands of farm horses and changed the way farming was done.
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Posted By: Brett(Va)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:18pm
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I say the CA. It was the new and improved C with its snap coupler,traction booster,hand clutch and spin-out rims. It was also available in wide or narrow front. It was ideal for the small farmer. Brett |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:56pm
Speaking of Independent PTO and hydraulics; what was the first AC tractor to offer both?
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RMD wrote:Posted By: MaxAllis
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 11:49pm
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Toss up here. I wouldn't be able to take even a guess at how many cattle we fed or millions of bushels of grain we augered with the WD. The handiest little tractor, and it was ahead of it's time. Allis was an innovator. But the hands down favorite tractor to run here was our maroon belly 7060 power shift. My grandfather gave dad a hard time when he bought it, as he was looking for a Deere since we had a couple of 4020s. After he ran it once, we couldn't get him out of it. We had well over 10,000 hrs on it when we traded for the 8070. I loved that tractor. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:23pm
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tyler you are correct regarding the M and L/LA. However, you should also realize that the B was an inspiration for Henry Ford's 9N, as well as the Farmall A (there was even a patent suit), and the JD H (downsized JD B for the AC B niche). Look at the number of "small" tractors before 1937 for your comparison.
The All Crop was the defining piece of equipment as far as I'm concerned with regard to "mechanizing the farm".
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Posted By: Matt (NEIA)
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 5:17pm
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any orange tractor that's new enough to have true hydrolics, 1966 or so on up
------------- 1955 WD-45 with factory PS |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 5:59pm
| thats why it has the hand clutch |
Posted By: Matt (NEIA)
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 3:38pm
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any AC tractor new enough to have 2 way hydrolics, suppose 1966ish on up.
------------- 1955 WD-45 with factory PS |
Posted By: LarryWC In
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 4:09pm
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WD45!,,I've had the best results with getting into tight places but yet still had the power to move or lift darn near ANYTHING the old "trip bucket" could get a hold of! ------------- www.allischalmersmuseum.com |
Posted By: Bob M
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 12:17am
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Of all the Alilis tractors I have used on my farm the most usefull would be the 175D . It will do heavy work like a 180 but with less fuel and is still handy to rake hay or cultilvate with. You see very few of these for sale because they are all being used every day.
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 2:46am
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The most popular tractor is like the most popular girl in high school.
The one you never had.
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Posted By: RMD
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 10:12am
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First AC's with independent PTO and hydraulics was the D10/12 starting in mid-1961. Some earlier D10/12 had an engine mounted pump for independent hydraulics, but no independent PTO (and not even a hand clutch).
I grew up with a couple of CAs, but I'll take my Series II D12 over a CA any day for usefulness.
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Posted By: rowcropmafia
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 12:49pm
| i really like our 7080s just wish they would fit down 30 in rows |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 3:05pm
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Deere claims 300,000 A's but it's hard to prove cause their records are so shabby. The WC was around 178,000 but it stpped in 1948. The A went to 1952. The WD was actually a carrying on of the WC but Allis named it WD. There is more interchangeable from a WC to a WD than early A to late A. With over 178,000 WC's and 146,000 WD's that adds up tp alot of tractors and some years they were the #1 selling model in North America. WC has it as far as most popular back in it's day. The B definitely caught all the competition off guard and IH scrambled to come up with a look alike. Yes the B was the answer to the 9N but was a little different animal. The D17 has it hands down in my book for tractors being used everyday today. That's over any AC older and newer. There are better AC's but the D17 is useful enough to keep in the game. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |