Well....if this doesnt grind your gears...
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Topic: Well....if this doesnt grind your gears...
Posted By: Austin(WI)
Subject: Well....if this doesnt grind your gears...
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 3:44pm
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I checked my Youtube mail...and here is a new video AGCO uploaded. It is going to be renamed Massey Corp yet. It would not suprise me.
[TUBE]ARQha1wmfwc[/TUBE] ------------- "Better By Design" |
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Posted By: Russ-neia
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 3:51pm
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Yep, the brainwashing is nearly complete. At 3:18 he has a Freudian slip and says AGCO became part of Massey! yak! ------------- The innovators offer what others will imitate. |
Posted By: Ron(WA)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 3:55pm
| Wow, talk about being politically correct!!! And while wearing an AGCO embroidered on his cardigan! |
Posted By: scott
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 3:57pm
| Progress... |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 4:05pm
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I hated them "MF" things back in the 80's when one came in the door I'd go hide in the back of the shop and hope it just go away. lol
Then 1150 where hard to work on.
Ron, Do you think he will get a new Massey shirt if he says that crap all day? lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 5:19pm
| Boy oh Boy, those boys sure know how to get my blood pressure up. |
Posted By: stroketech
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 5:31pm
| I'd rather have a case of the clap then run a Massey. |
Posted By: C. Burnett
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 5:31pm
| That's disgusting. I think everybody that has a 3 point hitch on their tractor should take it off. That would show 'em. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 5:50pm
| Is it just me, or was his nose a little bigger, and redder, at the end, than it was, at the beginning of that spiel? |
Posted By: C. Burnett
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 5:56pm
| I forgot to ask if this means that Massey Ferguson has replaced the Mean Green tractor company as public enemy number one. |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 6:07pm
| Makes me feel sick. |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 6:59pm
| werst combine in the world 540 |
Posted By: ac_bowsers
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:11pm
| Is this what I have to look forward to at AGCO's booth at Louisville, someone should give this clown a history lesson about A-C's contribution to agriculture!! What a joke!! Why in the hell did this company(AGCO) have to purchase MF in the first place. Anyone I know that has been around these pieces of junk whether it was working on them or running one always said there was a reason why they had "MF" plasterd all over them, and it didn't stand for Massey Ferguson!!! if you catch my drift!!!....Truly a sad sad day! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:16pm
| Ain't you heard?Ignorace is bliss!!! |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:18pm
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What a joke. I think I'm going to go vomit now. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Jim seIl
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:30pm
| what are you guys crying about Allis Chalmers did the belly flop in the 1980s massy didn't that 7000 series was a joke . |
Posted By: Oldoug
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:39pm
| Somebody there needs to tell these guys that every brand they are pushing these days suck. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:40pm
I would happily take a 7000 series any day over any massey. I am running a 7050 quite a bit yet, and it is doing a heck of a job for me. It is very cost effective. My 7050 has a lot more to do with the success of todays Agco corporation than Massey did.
 ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:45pm
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"I forgot to ask if this means that Massey Ferguson has replaced the Mean Green tractor company as public enemy number one."
Yup. Richenhagen is right up there with them as well. That pretty much rounds out the top three in my book. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:46pm
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I see a hell of alot more 7000 series still going today than whatever junk massey made during that era. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:58pm
| I guess the thing that torques me off about this, is that they talk about MF "progress" from the 90's on as if was Massey designed. Actually any "inovations" introduced were AGCO designs that owe more to all the other companies AGCO had bought than anything MF brought to the party. The big combine they're so proud of is a White as are the planters they sell, their tractors are AGCOs not MF. You could paint them green & white and call them Olivers and the company "history" would be more accurate. I would like to see the name changed to AGCO Massey and drop the stupid Ferguson. Unfortunatly when AGCO bought MF it was a grand plan for a world recognised name and dealer network and it is coming to fruition now. At least the Massey guys are getting better equipment from AGCO than the "real" MF could ever have built. |
Posted By: Oldoug
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 8:01pm
| I'm sure AGCO has a timeline there for A-C, it's probably a quarter as long as the Massey one. It probably has about three times lines, A-C started somewhere around the early 1900's, obtained Gleaner...uh, somewhere along the way, lost everything to Deutz in the mid 80's, and became part of AGCO (since they say they never were the Allis-Gleaner Company) and now has Massey to offer worldwide. AGCO is a prefect example of how life isn't fair, Allis and Gleaner is what made that company, they get no advertising, no credit, and no respect for what they have accomplished in the past and what they have now that is being phased out and what is going to be phased out in the future. It is down right plain unaccecptable. |
Posted By: Dave King
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 9:10pm
| 7000 series a joke??? They had 5-10 years of technology on just about everyone in many areas. AC did the "bellyflop" because they had mis-guided management, not because the tractors they built were sub-standard. I think AGCO is suffering from the same brainlessness that AC did. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 9:49pm
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AGCO had a good power train when they had the White rearend, but when they went to the MF power train it was junk. Bearing races are slip fit in housing. One model used hyd. pressure behind a bearing race for a pto brake. I told a service rep at a service school after MF got involved that we went back 35 years with hydraulics with MF. They showed us a new inovation in ring and pinion(a pinion with a bearing on the back) I informed them that AC had that in 1933 on a WC.
I will quit befor I get wound up on MF JUNK. MACK
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Posted By: Oldoug
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:03pm
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Listen to this tool, I'm pretty sure he's not talking about A-C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojV9Go_LNpM&feature=PlayList&p=E971EE91373F0884&index=1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojV9Go_LNpM&feature=PlayList&p=E971EE91373F0884&index=1
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Posted By: Nate (OH)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:17pm
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This guys knowledge is so overwhelming he almost doesn't need the board to read off of. |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:26pm
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I guess AGCO must stand for the Arrogant German Company. What a shame. As for the 7000 series, I love my 7020. Quiet cab, good fuel efficiency, plenty of power. I dont know what was a joke about it. Joe ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:30pm
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Bowsers, MF doesn't stand for "Mighty Fine" either does it? LOL Does anyone else see a similarity between the "MF takeover" with AGCO like it was back in 86 when Deutz came in and thought they were going to tell the American Farmer what he wants? ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 2:32am
------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 5:31am
You know, you can comment on these videos. I think I may tonight.
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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 5:41am
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AC made the first compact with the 620. Who is this for? I mean it doesn't fool anyone does it? A farmer isn't going to go, oh wow now I should buy a Massey cause they've sold more than anyone. Oh yeah, and why was Massey going to be bankrupt unless they were rescued by AGCO? Taking credit for the 1150 is like saying hey buy from us we built the Pinto! Just forget about the fact that they blew up and killed everyone inside every time someone bumped them in the rear end. It'd be neat to see the innovations AC had in concert with the one Massey is taking credit for. |
Posted By: ac_bowsers
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:34am
| hey Brian I couldn't agree more with your thought on the similar take over from 86. Where the hell do some of these guys get off saying that the 7000 series are junk?...Give me a break there are more of them still running in my area than any junk MF of that era. Plus we used to have old MF dealers around us all gone...at least the old A-C dealers still survived and became AGCO, the ones that don't have any MF on there lots and re-fuse to get them I wonder what will happen, I'm thinking next brand to have to be a NH or Buhler. When AGCO eliminated Deutz, and had purshased White those tractors they were building went back to the old A-C and Whites, and ever since then up until recent those tractors had no MF innovations to be found in them Period. Why did the AGCO tractors introduce the new technology first,not MF, its like the com-pany is taking a complete 180. THE old MF couldn't design the MF combine of today, at least Gleaner was able to do so with all their models up to the R75....again a sad sad day, I may have to be escorted away from the AGCO booth at Lousiville after I give them a piece of my mind!!1 |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:43am
| Dave in il. The Agco is a massey tractor from the 8700/9700 series up until the recent DT series. They used to put a different engine in the different brands but not anymore. With the DT series, it has more Fendt and Valmet in it then Massey. The smaller tractors are still Massey based. |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:44am
| He sounds as retarted as the guy who said the 7000 series was a joke |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:59am
| KGood. I never said anything against the AC. I stated facts. If you don't believe me then go ask any mechanic. If you have to resort to name calling then you are a juvenile type of person. As I said, ask a mechanic at your local dealer, he is the expert. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:33am
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There was one Massey that was Agco based. That was a Massey 9000 series (not sure of exact number) that was actually a White 6215. It was build for sale in Europe. If you go to http://www.farmphoto.com - www.farmphoto.com and click on the Massey 9000 series, it will bring up photos.
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Posted By: ac_bowsers
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:39am
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Hey Byron, I can't agree more!!...Praising that piece of crap 1150 is a joke!! remember MF's attempt at a true 4WD tractor they had one model called the 4840, I'll bet any amount of money a real 4840(JD) could run circles around that pile of crap!! A-C 620 as first compact...don't forget the 5000 series too!!! |
Posted By: Adam
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:49am
| sorry buddy but maybe you should brush up on your history since you don't know why massey survived and not allis. Allis Chalmers was such a huge company and so far spread out that during the credit crunch of the late 70's and 80's, they started to spend more than they were making. That is why they started to sell off divisions. All the agriculture companies were in trouble at that time, but allis was so far spread out that it hit all their accounts...not just the agriculture line! So if you wanna bash allis and praise massey go right ahead...but do it on a massey site if your that loyal! We have no time for you! |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 3:50pm
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Obviously a former MF employee whose job was saved by AGCO. You have to admit there is a lot of history there though and MF wouldn't have that history if people never bought their machines. They must have a following similar to that of our orange ladies to have lasted so long even if it took the whole world to make the same following that AC had just in the states.
I have no need or money to buy anything AGCO makes nowadays. If I did, I know just how I would handle this situation though. If the machines are identical except for paint as I suspect and have read numerous times, I would pay someone to repaint a new one orange even before its maiden voyage to the fields much like those before who bought the last 8000 series and immediately peeled off the DA decals. Those with the expertise could even paint their own. What could AGCO do? I doubt anything. Yes, it would be nice to get it exactly the way you want it especially for the price of them nowadays. However, I don't see this as being much different than what some people pay for new trucks only to drop them off at the paint booth before driving it home. You buy it and make it the way you want it if you have to. I hope those that can will do something along this line. To me, it is nice to see new orange non-Kubota tractors across the land even if they no longer say AC on them. We all know where the orange originated. Well, I've said more than my piece for the day and subject. Thanks for letting me vent.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 10:49pm
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Over the years Massey had more ups and downs then AC. Remember at one time they owned Perkins engines. I was surprised that Cat ended up with Perkins. What kept MF going was getting into more of the world market when things were good. Sometimes I wonder if the suits at these companies put a bunch of names on a dart board, throw the dart and buy whatever they hit.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 11:14pm
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Typical corporate puppet obviously doesn't know jack about massey, or AGCO for that matter, he read that display board nearly verbatim as any idiot could do, except he was a worse narrator than the average idiot. This is just a prime example of the disconnect between AGCO management and its own product lines, let alone its customers...it's no wonder their marketing strategies make as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. I did get a kick out of his saying 'and AGCO became part of Massey'. you almost had to wonder if this whole conspiracy actually started in 1997..... ------------- 1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 9:26am
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Bill_MN, I honestly think the massey fans believe they own Agco. They sure have the intention of taking it over, anyway.
Agco-the Pheonix that rose from the ashes of Allis Chalmers and Deutz-Allis, is what owns MF. I am never going to let them forget that. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |